Shels and their tax affairs

**wws** · 01/12/2004, 12:12 PM

theres a few issues here to my laymans eyes

1) there are too many variables to extrapulate any conclusions from those figures alone

2) In any case shels may have hit upon a tax efficient way of paying the least amount of tax yet definitely still paying out the highest amounts on players wages( i think EVERYONE agrees on this much that certainly they have the best paid players in ireland, possibly EVER in this country) - can this info of HOW they do this be shared around to the unenlightened? or more likely can it be figured out by experts in the finance field and made public so we can all offer riduculous money to players without any visible fan base or means of meeting these overheads?

3)ive forgotten wot three was...

**dougdub** · 01/12/2004, 12:24 PM

Well maybe the taxman hasn't bothered looking into the matter but as a member of Bohemian FC I want to know why we have paid over twice what Shelbourne payed in tax.

This matter wont rest and as I speak a friend of mine from the Revenue on the Navan Road (he doesn't like football so he has no loyalty to ethier club) is casting his evil eye over it.

Time will tell on this one !

**Macy** · 01/12/2004, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

And you think a few sad, obsessed, bitter Bohs fans have found something that everyone at the tax department has missed because of two numbers they've dragged from somewhere that on their own don't mean anything?

Firstly I've never said that Shels are necessarily doing anything wrong, it just raises question. I did mention way back in this thread that one possible explanation is that they're missing years. I'm only basing it on the figures that Bohs fans got, and I don't know if there's anyway of finding out whether Shels have made all their returns for the period mention (which in itself wouldn't be a good thing).

Secondly, revenue would base the figures on the P35 - they'll only dig deeper if there's a suspicion of wrong doing.

Thirdly, ultimately the staff in revenue are all Civil Servants, we all know how much work they do

Finally I want to repeat that I don't necessarily think Shels are guilty of anything, but even to a die hard shels fan like yourself it must raise eyebrows?

Like wws says, Oily could've found a brilliant loophole in the tax laws - it could be as simple as that.

**Snake** · 01/12/2004, 12:30 PM

If shels are not paying their tax and bohs are, shels are cheating because money that should have gone to the tax man finds it's way into Glen Crowes arse pocket in a brown paper bag instead - that is cheating on the double, cheating the tax man and society and cheatin gthe other clubs in the EL. There is no chance that anything else is actually happening, common sense will tell you that no amount of unknown variables can explain why shels paid less tax in a 4 year period by about 450,000 euro than Bohs.

St. Pat's paid more in tax than shels did in the same period - unknown variable extrapolation my arse. Ollie is a cheat, shelbourne are cheats and hopefully you will be caught and screwed pink by the revenue.

**dynamo kerry** · 01/12/2004, 2:25 PM

does anyone really think ollie byrne is stupid?

a pain in the arse, obnoxiousm a gob****e? yes, yes and very much yes.

this would be a very basic error to make. I'm willing to bet right now that nothing will come of it.

**exile** · 01/12/2004, 3:22 PM

Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

does anyone really think ollie byrne is stupid?

a pain in the arse, obnoxiousm a gob****e? yes, yes and very much yes.

this would be a very basic error to make. I'm willing to bet right now that nothing will come of it.

he was stupid enough to get locked up but other that i think your right, all though you never know what goes on with el clubs and money.
can anyone here honestly tell me the state of their clubs finances

**higgins** · 02/12/2004, 12:03 AM

this is great !!

To see so many fans getting their hopes up because a bohs fan posted two meaningless figures on the web....

Nobody knows in what context these figures are from????

snake you must be a qualified chartered accountant and have worked in the tax department for small businesses YES??...
didnt think so,,,

Your all great lads you have unearthed the scandal of the year
keep up the good work
Do you think they will make this into a film?

We could call it something like 'Jumping to conclusions'

Columbo would be very proud of you

**sonofstan** · 02/12/2004, 8:28 AM

Higgins, some of it is bitterness of course and annoyance that you've just won - deservedly -you second championship while we've floundered like a overweight ginger guppy (sorry, the bitterness again) all season, and that you've just taken two of our best players and Colin Hawkins when we were prepared to match your offer - which in itself makes us think there must be something more to a shels pay packet than the bit the revenue see.

But, at the very least, we think that as a condition of playing in the premier league, financial transparency should be insisted upon as it is in other leagues, and as wws put it above, the fact that you have a bigger and better paid squad than either us or pats and paid half the amount of tax that we did needs to be answered. Otherwise, you're cheating; and in a way that gives you a much bigger advantage than merely playing an unregistered player, since effectively you're getting half price footballers.

**Snake** · 02/12/2004, 10:37 AM

Actually, as of next monday week, I will be a revenue Commissioner examining shels "pension scheme". Higgins you are a tosser.

**exile** · 02/12/2004, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

this is great !!

To see so many fans getting their hopes up because a bohs fan posted two meaningless figures on the web....

Nobody knows in what context these figures are from????

snake you must be a qualified chartered accountant and have worked in the tax department for small businesses YES??...
didnt think so,,,

Your all great lads you have unearthed the scandal of the year
keep up the good work
Do you think they will make this into a film?

We could call it something like 'Jumping to conclusions'

Columbo would be very proud of you

a come now higgins with shels new media name the "bleedin galacticos" because of your team of superstars. You must be able to take the abuse and rumours of everyone else in the league, people are just jealous of your get up and get them el presdento byrne and every kid in dubland going around with crowe on the back of their galacticos jerseys and your huge fan ban base just boggles the minds of rest of eircom league we are all just jealous take no notice of us .
a.b.s(anyone but shels) sign on here

**Slash/ED** · 02/12/2004, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by exile

the bleedin galacticos

That's the only decent and worthwhile thing to come out of this thread, I like that

**Snake** · 03/12/2004, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

this is great !!

Your all great lads you have unearthed the scandal of the year
keep up the good work
Do you think they will make this into a film?

We could call it something like 'Jumping to conclusions'

Columbo would be very proud of you

I am sure you loved Ollies input into Marneygate then........