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Controversial referee Mark Clattenburg has been relieved of Premier League duties this weekend.
Clattenburg made a number of high profile decisions durng Saturday's derby that left Everton's fans, players and manager highly frustrated.
He awarded a penalty to Liverpool's Steven Gerrard, sent off Tony Hibbert, failed to punish a dangerous Dirk Kuyt challenge and turned down two penalty shouts for fouls on Joleon Lescott.
Now the Professional Game Match Board, the body that appointes referees, have decided the north-east official is best off away from the action this weekend.
Reder, you are very good at putting words into other people's mouths.Originally Posted by reder
Thats not what I'm talking about... I just mentioned the missed penalty claim at the end of the game. It should have been a penalty and Liverpool got lucky with that.
"Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
"Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.
Good piece on the derby from the red point of view. Sums feelings up pretty well.
Perpetrating the myths
By Liverpudlian
Date: 23/10/2007
Unless we play them in a cup competition, I see Everton play twice a season, I couldn't tell you what their acknowledged first eleven is and apart from Stubbs, Johnson & Neville, wouldn't recognise one of their players if they knocked on my front door.
I view Everton with the same indifference as Aston Villa, Newcastle or Fulham. They are just another middle of the table club, here only to make up the numbers.
Unfortunately due to their presence in the city, what I do see and hear) on a very regular basis, is their fans. I work alongside them, I have them as friends and I have listened to their inane drivel both first hand & in the media for more years than I care to remember.
Evertonians, Blue noses or whatever you want to call them are a breed apart with an unhealthy attitude matched only by their compatriots in the blue side of Manchester. But whereas Citeh fans are at least blessed with a sense of humour & a semblance of humility, our learned brethren from across the park take themselves far too seriously and expect everyone else to do the same with their club.
You see Everton are never beaten fair and square. Should they lose, it is always courtesy of bad refereeing decisions, bad luck or circumstances way beyond their control. Furthermore, because they do suffer these injustices on such a regular basis, they all seem have a built in set of self-defence mechanisms designed to maintain that feeling of well-being & status as a bitter blue.
Firstly they all seem to have selective memory syndrome & an ability to talk-up their club regardless of form or position in the league. They retain the double whammy in that they can always draw solace on the occasions when we lose & they are orgasmic should we lose in a final. You see your average Everton Fan gains as much comfort from us losing than them winning. Our defeat in Athens meant as much as any result in their illustrious history. The prospect of us being crowned Champions of Europe so soon after the "fix" in Istanbul would have taken some explaining away (even in their deluded minds) so the result brought as much pleasure across the park as it did in the streets of Milan.
In decrying every trophy that we have ever won over the last forty years as lucky, there are now 3 generations who have the notion implanted in their very psyche that referees and the various football bodies are all on our payroll & if that is not enough, we even get help from more celestial bodies. A work colleague of mine maintains that we are "in league with the Devil" and has made that statement with total conviction for at least the last thirty years. He is convinced with every fibre in his body that there is a different agenda at work here and everyone & everything conspires to help us.
This mentality of explaining away the disparity in the silverware count gains credibility as each dyed in the (blue) wool baby comes into this world, only to be brain washed by air brushing the reasons for our success over the years and implanting a single minded perverted bias.
The banning of English teams post-Heysel obviously affected Everton as much as anyone. Their team of the mid eighties was the only one in living memory with any sort of ability and most blues consider this team were good enough to conquer Europe and that may well have been the case but would that notion also not have applied to our Barnes, Beardsley & Aldridge side?
The "friendly" derbies became a thing of the past during the nineties and there can be little doubt that the banning was the catalyst to what has transpired since but will they ever let it lie?
They say that fans get the club they deserve and it is certainly true in their case. Wyness and Kenwright have become laughing stocks over the years with the many "missed" transfer targets and aborted attempts to leave Goodison. Just like a broken clock is right twice in every 24 hours though, even Everton have had cause to celebrate courtesy of a good season or a fluke derby win. So what do they do? Magnify it out of all proportion by bringing out memento DVDs in some vain attempt to even up the count at the football section at HMV. So when they beat Liverpool 3-0 for the best win in 40 years, amazingly a DVD was out in days. Likewise, the dodgy qualification for the champions league for the only time in a generation brought about a commemorative DVD, but in doing so they were too smug to avoid the pitfalls. By trying to be smart arses & calling it "Champions league we're having a laugh" they were nicely primed for ridicule. When yet another refereeing decision robbed them of the expected cash windfall, nobody was laughing at all, or were they?
Kenwright's script writers failed miserably in the ploy to harmonise the fans by calling themselves the "Peoples club" in a vain attempt to convince everyone of their percentage local fan base in the city. Sounding, now, like some latter day "Walton British Legion" they will obviously hope to avoid transferring all those empty match-day seats & unsold season tickets when they "allegedly" move to Kirkby because every little helps.
In order to ease the anxiety in the build up to derby matches, military rhetoric like "dogs of war" and "battling in midfield" rallies the troops on a ground where once Alex Young played. An actual derby match at Goodison, though, is a sight to behold. There is supporting your team and there is this. Every time one of our lads picks up the ball on the touchline for a throw in or corner he is subjected to a torrent of abuse that is which is way over the top. Grown men, not kids, their faces contorted and grotesque borne out of years of inequality, let out a pent up stream of anger & frustration. A feature, peculiar to Goodison, resonates round those quaint wooden stands with every challenge. Sounding like demented crows feeding in a cornfield, the strange "waah " noise booms out from all sides demanding a free kick with every tackle, regardless of what has actually happened. If the award is not given, the tirade begins on the referee who is, of course, anti-Everton before he has even walked onto the pitch. With the chips on their shoulders bigger than their brand new replica shirts, they sing the song to Stevie and though their talisman was Duncan Ferguson, they actually have the nerve to call our captain a thug.
Again on Saturday we saw a Liverpool win and surprise, surprise we again have winging from the Everton camp that they were robbed. Why must there always be a debate when Everton get beaten? Do they still believe the ******** they come out with or is it because desperate times call for desperate measures? Their tactics remain, apparently, to get the ball into the box quickly, jump or back into your opponents, fall down, create confusion, look for the second ball or as a last resort claim a penalty.
School of science?
They tell me Arteta is a good player. If that is so why is he wasting his with this undisciplined rabble?
Yet again, they were reduced to nine men in a derby match as a direct result of their tactics and the fact that they are simply not good enough. We were playing poorly and again they blew it by having men sent off when in a winning position. The furore inevitably and always surrounds the refereeing decisions but they fail to see that, as usual Reina had practically nothing to do whilst Andriy twice, JAR & Dirk should have added to our tally.
In a perverted sort of way, another derby defeat will suit the bitters who will write off the defeat in the usual manner by the addition of another chapter in their book of perceived injustices to read to their kids with the other fantasies at bed time.
The bare facts are that Everton no longer take on Liverpool by playing football. They have had too many defeats in the past by taking us on & Moyes is at least good enough to recognise that fact. So by continually ensuring his team promote confrontation & controversy on the pitch, their fans can argue for equality off it.
Big club? My arse.
Satisfying times to be a red.
Liverpudlian
Agree 100%.
This is actually wrong from what I believe. He is refereeing a UEFA cup on Thurs so automatically wouldn't get a premiership game anyway. If a referee is suspended, they normally make an announcment. Like when Styles made 1 wrong decision against Liverpool.
1 rule for them, 1 rule for the others
Thats a very funny piece from some one who cares so little and knows so little about everton he was able to write that incrediblely long piece on them ............wait hold on a second
Turns out its not a good piece but yet an other liverpool fans showing how they dont think the derby is a big game ..........strange i could have sworn i saw Carragher etc all running arms in the air the lenght of the pitch to there fans after beating a middle of the table team that none of them care about beating
Common reaction to winning in injury timei saw Carragher etc all running arms in the air the lenght of the pitch to there fans after beating a middle of the table team that none of them care about beatingSimiliar to the glorious injury time win in 2001.
But not in a game you dont care about which is the point of the pieceCommon reaction to winning in injury time
It only means nothing to them when they lose
I had to laugh at the Liverpool players over the top celebrations at the end of the game.
It was kind of like a poor mans Chelsea of recent seasons gone by.
I think it was more a case of trying to bury the ghost of last season's 3-0 result.
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In what way?
Notice that the writer wasn't talking about the players.
What ??
Of course you can celebrate but it just makes ye look silly when ye go on and on about how little the game means to ye then act like ye have won a cup beating us at home. He states that its similar to playing villa lets see if the players run the lenght of the pitch after beating villa i dont think they will .
Plus anyone that says the game doesnt matter is an idiot every real fan loves a derby win no matter which side your on , Its only the idiot Irish liverpool fans that come out with gems like Chelsea is our derby now
But then again they are the same idiots that slag irish blues about the club leaving the city
Ive never once met a liverpool fan in liverpool that couldnt care about the derby result not once in all the times ive been there.
Its only the idiot Irish liverpool fans that come out with gems like Chelsea is our derby now
If a so called Liverpool fan said that to me he'd get a slap round the head
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I think reder has discovered a fairly easy technique for riling the blueshi*e. Here let me try it...... Playing everton is like playing err....Watford.....
The cent drops.
We've won away from home in injury time. I'm sure you'd prefer us to trudge off the pitch like we lost 3-0, but we won, so we can celebrate how we like. If you don't like it, it's quite simple, just move your thumb.it just makes ye look silly when ye go on and on about how little the game means to ye then act like ye have won a cup beating us at home.
You never know, we may even bring out a DVD.
Last edited by mypost; 24/10/2007 at 5:56 PM.
Why is phil Nevile still being mentioned in possible line up he is suspended no ? fingers crossed anyway .
Cahill and Grav back Vaughan isnt going to be in the squad thigh strain but great to have him back training .
Im thinking for tonight
Timmy
Jags Yobo Lescott Baines
Osman Artetta Carsley Pienaar
Mcfadden Yakubu
Bench
Cahill
tommy G
Wessels
Big Vic
Stubbs
VDM
Lucas
And fingers crossed they can finally play well in Europe , Larissa are the team that beat blackburn so they are handy enough
They had me worried there for a bit started really well very comfortable Cahill on his first game back scores then Osman makes it two with one of the best worked goals ive seen. Cahill picks it up in midfield marked by two players feeds a perfect ball between them out to the left to Baines on the overlap he then slots it across to Pienaar on the edge of the box he then give a lovely back heel flick to roll it back to osman who cracks it from 30 yard with the outside of his boot and curls it just inside the post .
Then the madness starts Howards rollign it out to Lescott who was marked he looses the ball and they are all of a sudden back in it , Everton then have a dodgy 10 mins where every ball lseemed to bounce extra high and no one could get a grip on the game untill a nothing ball was chased down by big VIc two defenders that tried to shoulder him off the ball just bounced off him and he calmly slotted it past the keeper .
Derby on sunday now to get the season back on track .
Great goal by Osman last week alright.
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