Everton and Liverpool discussion

**anto1208** · 19/10/2007, 8:28 AM

Cahill is back

Should play some part in the derby considering how bad we have been in central midfield this season but it still might be just too soon.

Tommy G is ok again after having fluid drained from his knee but wont be ready for sat .

Vaughan should be back to full training next week and AJ' op went well and he should be back in 2 weeks .

Its been a slog but the injury crisis might be nearing an end

**KildareFan** · 19/10/2007, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by anto1208

Cahill is back

Should play some part in the derby considering how bad we have been in central midfield this season but it still might be just too soon.

Tommy G is ok again after having fluid drained from his knee but wont be ready for sat .

Vaughan should be back to full training next week and AJ' op went well and he should be back in 2 weeks .

Its been a slog but the injury crisis might be nearing an end

These 4 players could turn our season around ........but unfortunately i don't see any of them playing a significant part tomorrow. I'd love cahill to play but after 3 serious injuries in the space of a year, we have to be careful. As much as I'd love to see him playing tomorrow and getting his usual derby goal, it's more important to have him for the rest of the season. Could maybe play the last 20 minutes or so.

It's going to be very interesting to see what team moyes picks tomorrow. Long midweek trips for lescott, mcfadden and neville means that i think all 3 are unlikely to start and it could be lescott that misses out given that we have the best cover for him. I actually think he hasn't played as well this season as he did last year, he has played well but has cost us goals with lapses in concentration like at spurs and Newcastle. Midfield is again going to be a problem but I think he'll go with Carsley and Neville. Hopefully Cars can do his usual derby day marking job on Gerrard if he plays. Up front, with them having to play Hyppia, it's a real pity we don't have the pace of AJ. Big Vic has done his best work when coming off the bench this year so I'd leave him there for the first hour at least. Yakubu has been utter utter crap for us but you have to hope, he sees this game as his chance to make his mark at Goodison. So I think we'll line up somehting like

Howard

Hibbert Yobo Stubbs Baines

Pienaar Cars Neville Arteta

Yakubu McFadden

Subs:

Wessells
Anichebe
Cahill
Jagielka/ Gravesen
Lescott

I'd really love Arteta to leave his mark on a derby but if we are to have a match winner, it could be McFadden if his trip to Georgia hasn't taken too much out of him.

**anto1208** · 19/10/2007, 11:23 AM

At least Carsley will be fresh he hasnt played in ages but along side neville they offer us nothing going foward Neville being the only player with a negative goal difference !!( 2 own goals 1 goal scored ). Think we need lescott on the pitch over stubbs ,Baines i think has to start Hibbert being the only person on the pitch from the city should be up for it.

Its time for Yakubu to pull up his socks and get moving but we need to get the ball in front of him no point giving him the ball with his back to goal he isnt quick enough to turn and do anything with it .

HAve a bad feeling about this one though

**paddywhack** · 20/10/2007, 4:16 PM

Liverpool were fortunate to get the win today considering the late call for a penalty by Everton today...and i can't understand why rafa took steve g off at a crucial part of the game..but deserved the win...

**Metrostars** · 20/10/2007, 9:01 PM

Liverpool got very, very lucky today. The first penalty could have gone either way. Everton had two legitimate penalty claims especially at the end when Carragher clearly pulled down Lescott. The most blatent non-call I've seen in a long time.

**cobra** · 20/10/2007, 11:09 PM

Was working earlier and only seen highlights on MOTD and must admit we were fortunate to get a result..it looked as though stevie g did get ref to change cards from yellow to red for 1st sending off..thought kuyt even deserved red for that lunge he done..fair play to him on the pressure pen though..was good save by neville that time too.

**mypost** · 21/10/2007, 10:19 AM

We were lucky?? We scored all 3 goals, ffs.

Ref was right with the 2 pen decisions, 2 red cards, (handball and a pro foul) only booking Kuyt, and not giving the Toffees their penalty claim. They seem to forget that there's no guarantee they'd score it, especially with Reina in goal, who saved his last penalty in the league.

**paddywhack** · 21/10/2007, 10:51 AM

how can u compare everton to Liverpool...a European cup win, f.a. cup win and European final again last year. get a grip everton are no closer to Liverpool than cork city for f..k sake

**BohsPartisan** · 21/10/2007, 11:06 AM

I think you'll find Everton are considerably closer to Liverpool than Cork City!
http://www29.mappy.com/sid/oEkJDlUU1...=euro&ireimb=0

http://www20.mappy.com/sidqfWMdqVwYw...cv5=&x=30&y=12

reder · 22/10/2007, 7:55 AM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Liverpool got very, very lucky today. The first penalty could have gone either way. Everton had two legitimate penalty claims especially at the end when Carragher clearly pulled down Lescott. The most blatent non-call I've seen in a long time.

How many other shots on target did Everton have in the game?

**Roadend** · 22/10/2007, 8:27 AM

Originally Posted by paddywhack

and i can't understand why rafa took steve g off at a crucial part of the game

Because aside from being faster than Hibbert on one counter attack he did f**k all besides give the ball away and unbalance the team by wandering around whereever he wanted.

**drinkfeckarse** · 22/10/2007, 10:16 AM

Everton can feel aggrieved by some of Clattenburgs decisions, no doubt at all about Carragher pulling Lescott down although IMO Kuyt's was correct as I honestly felt it was over enthusiam on his part. There was no malice in it and although his studs were off the ground, they were not aimed at Neville. It was more his shins that would have collided with him.

Missed the game due to my own but going on the highlights I didn't feel Everton threatened too much. A "lucky" win maybe in the sense that a penalty should have been given at the end but overall I felt Liverpool controlled the tempo.

**KildareFan** · 22/10/2007, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Everton can feel aggrieved by some of Clattenburgs decisions, no doubt at all about Carragher pulling Lescott down although IMO Kuyt's was correct as I honestly felt it was over enthusiam on his part. There was no malice in it and although his studs were off the ground, they were not aimed at Neville. It was more his shins that would have collided with him.

Missed the game due to my own but going on the highlights I didn't feel Everton threatened too much. A "lucky" win maybe in the sense that a penalty should have been given at the end but overall I felt Liverpool controlled the tempo.

1. when it was 11 v 11, everton were the better side without actually playing that well and in lescott, they had the best player on the pitch by some distance. Liverpool only came into the match and "controlled the tempo of the game" when everton lost a man although how you tell who controlled the tempo of the game from the highlights is surprising.

2. That Kuyt tackle is just not defendable. Whether or not, he made contact or was showing malice is not the point. How can a player, lunge at another from 4-5 yards away, waist high and not get a red card is beyond me. If Neville had stayed on the ground, he would have been snapped in two, would you have thought it should have been a red then?

3. It wasn't bad refereeing, it was biased refereeing, there is a difference. What was gerrard shaking the refs hand for when he was taken off? Carragher had his arms around him at one stage when he should have been getting a yellow for dissent. Clattenburg should have just stopped the charade and given a whistle each to gerrard and carragher and just be done with it.

4. Liverpool's manager is an utter utter classless c*** of the highest order. To even suggest that lescott dived is up there with Houllier saying that fowler was chewing grass. The worst thing about losing is that we let him off the hook from the abuse he would have got.

**mypost** · 22/10/2007, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Missed the game due to my own but going on the highlights I didn't feel Everton threatened too much. A "lucky" win maybe in the sense that a penalty should have been given at the end but overall I felt Liverpool controlled the tempo.

And do you know if they would have scored it as well??

Amazing the amount of people who automatically think penalty = goal.

Carra was defiant in his after-match interview that it wasn't a pen, so I take his word. It's not like he handled the ball on the line, like other players.

**anto1208** · 22/10/2007, 11:18 AM

The first 20 mins liverpool dominated i think the possesion % was in the 30's for everton at home !. after that it evened out with both teams being as bad as each other untill the own goal then everton relaxed and where pretty comfortable .

Then Hibbert f****ed up big time made a mess of it in midfield letting Gerrard through for a very soft penalty but hibbert shouldnt have let him in there in the first place , he went down easy instead of shooting but i cant say AJ would have done any different if it was him through, But what got me then was the ref was booking hibbert untill Gerrard had a word and it magically turned into a red card .Shamefull .

By the rules he had to go being last man and all but by the rules Kuyts had to go too for doing a two footed lunge which is also a straight red if neville hadnt jumped he could have broken his leg.

I didnt feel the first tackle on lescott was a peno but since he gave an even softer one to liverpool he should have given it .but the one in the last second was beyond the joke Lescott was dragged to the ground .

I felt a draw would have been fair but i was amazed at rafa coming out after the game and accusing lescott of diving

. That man really is pathetic

still have to move on 4 games in 11 days now at least the red cards will force moyes to play the team the fans have wanted for the next 3 games jags at right back and no neville near the pitch

**drinkfeckarse** · 22/10/2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

And do you know if they would have scored it as well??

Amazing the amount of people who automatically think penalty = goal.

Carra was defiant in his after-match interview that it wasn't a pen, so I take his word. It's not like he handled the ball on the line, like other players.

I'm well aware that it might not have been a goal and don't need your silly smilies to emphasise the point.

Also, "Carra was defiant"? I assume you mean adament but I'm a Liverpool supporter and I don't need to listen to what Carra says to form my own opinion. Most people would say it was a penalty IMO. Also as a defender myself, you are asking for trouble wrapping your ams around a player in the box. Carragher is hardly going going to say "yeah, definate penalty" is he??

So what if Neville handled the ball??? He got his punishment for it so is there any relevance to it.

**jockser** · 22/10/2007, 11:54 AM

Thought all the decisions by the ref were correct apart from evertons last second penalty claim. Should have been a penalty.
Carra got away with it, I suppose the saying that decisions even themselves out over a season is true after the chelsea penalty decision at Anfield and who better than the blue noses to even that out against eh

reder · 22/10/2007, 1:13 PM

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**KildareFan** · 22/10/2007, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by reder

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It wasn't so long ago that Liverpool were using a petition to get into the champs league!!!

And you must have missed Benitez demanding an apology from Rob Styles are the chelsea after a referee dared give a decision against them.

But then, liverpool fans always did have short memories.

reder · 22/10/2007, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by KildareFan

It wasn't so long ago that Liverpool were using a petition to get into the champs league!!!

Erm, I presume you are talking about 2005 when we won the European cup for the 5th time (you get to keep it when you win it 5 times, just in case you didnt know that). As WINNERS of the tournament it would have been crazy not having us in the tournament. UEFA wanted us in so any petition was secondary.

Originally Posted by KildareFan

And you must have missed Benitez demanding an apology from Rob Styles are the chelsea after a referee dared give a decision against them.

I must have and Benitez or those linked with LFC never called for Styles to be banned for LIFE!

Originally Posted by KildareFan

But then, liverpool fans always did have short memories.

We win an awful lot of tournaments and trying to keep in all that info coupled with the effects of many many hard nights of celebrating is just too much. We lose track of facts and figures now and again.