Everton and Liverpool discussion

**mypost** · 13/05/2005, 4:55 AM

Originally Posted by anto1208

but who cares we will have a minus goal difference once we let bolton win on sat

but we are still 4th best in the league

Stats this season:

Everton - Liverpool
43 Goals 50
1.19 Avr. goals/game 1.35
340 Shots 434
40% Shots on target 41%
72% Pass completion 77%
53 Yellow cards 43
4 Red cards 2

And they still say they're the best team in Liverpool.

We're in the ECF. Does that make us one of the best 2 sides in Europe?

thecorner · 13/05/2005, 7:42 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Stats this season:

Everton - Liverpool
43 Goals 50
1.19 Avr. goals/game 1.35
340 Shots 434
40% Shots on target 41%
72% Pass completion 77%
53 Yellow cards 43
4 Red cards 2

And they still say they're the best team in Liverpool.

We're in the ECF. Does that make us one of the best 2 sides in Europe?

the stats that count this season:
4 Everton 37 18 7 12 43 43 61
5 Liverpool 37 16 7 14 50 40 55

**anto1208** · 13/05/2005, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Stats this season:

Everton - Liverpool
43 Goals 50
1.19 Avr. goals/game 1.35
340 Shots 434
40% Shots on target 41%
72% Pass completion 77%
53 Yellow cards 43
4 Red cards 2

And they still say they're the best team in Liverpool.

We're in the ECF. Does that make us one of the best 2 sides in Europe?

"facts !!! you can use facts to prove anything even remotely true !!"

**Dillo** · 13/05/2005, 9:44 PM

Recent work commitments have deprived me precious time on my beloved foot.ie. I have missed so much and I feel slighly lost at the moment.

It's nice to see my Merseyside thread is going stronger than ever and long may it continue! There's no doubting the present small minority of Evertonians have come up trumps over their red counterparts with flying colours

! This gives me great satisfaction especially after having listened to 4tothefloor and his pitiful mates condemning Everton FC and everything I have said on this thread from the word go. Both Everton, David Moyes and I have the last laugh!

Hard luck lads, at least there'll be Champions League football in Liverpool next season even if its to be on the blue side. It has been a rollercoaster of a season for Moyes's men to say the least. To come from 17th to 4th in one season is nothing short of a miracle. This however is only the beginning of the transformation. The blue tidal wave is set to keep turning. Just look at what the Moyessiah has done with such a small and limited squad while working on a shoe string. A few quality signings in the Summer and another successful campaign is sure to follow. While I have great admiration for Jose Mourinho both as a man and a manager, David Moyes's achievements at Everton surely outweigh those of the portuguesse.

While many will disagree with a lot of what I've have said, there is one thing we're all sure to agree on- it has been a marvellous year on Merseyside for both clubs. Rafa has done magnificent in guiding his troops to the CL final. His previous experiences in Europe have proved pivotal to their success.

What a year!

**4tothefloor** · 14/05/2005, 9:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dillo

Recent work commitments have deprived me precious time on my beloved foot.ie. I have missed so much and I feel slighly lost at the moment.

It's nice to see my Merseyside thread is going stronger than ever and long may it continue! There's no doubting the present small minority of Evertonians have come up trumps over their red counterparts with flying colours

! This gives me great satisfaction especially after having listened to 4tothefloor and his pitiful mates condemning Everton FC and everything I have said on this thread from the word go. Both Everton, David Moyes and I have the last laugh!

Hard luck lads, at least there'll be Champions League football in Liverpool next season even if its to be on the blue side. It has been a rollercoaster of a season for Moyes's men to say the least. To come from 17th to 4th in one season is nothing short of a miracle. This however is only the beginning of the transformation. The blue tidal wave is set to keep turning. Just look at what the Moyessiah has done with such a small and limited squad while working on a shoe string. A few quality signings in the Summer and another successful campaign is sure to follow. While I have great admiration for Jose Mourinho both as a man and a manager, David Moyes's achievements at Everton surely outweigh those of the portuguesse.

Dillo crawls out of the woodwork to gloat, 'work committments', yeah right! Who cares about 4th place when you have a chance of winning the biggest club prize in world football. Not going to Istanbul myself, but just booked my flights and accomodation to Liverpool for the Tuesday to the Thursday. Party Central when we win

**De Town** · 14/05/2005, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

Who cares about 4th place when you have a chance of winning the biggest club prize in world football. Not going to Istanbul myself, but just booked my flights and accomodation to Liverpool for the Tuesday to the Thursday. Party Central when we win

Yeah, but Everton will have a better chance next season than the Pool will!!

**razor** · 16/05/2005, 8:23 AM

Fair play to Everton, they have really faltered over the line but deserve 4th spot. Of the 54 league points on offer since Christmas Everton have amassed 21, thats 6 wins in 18. but the fact is they had done enough.
Interesting to hear Gerrards reaction when asked about Moyes comment about Everton being the best team on Merseyside. He more or less said that in years to come you can't show your grandchildren 4th place, its about medals and LFC are in with a shout of the biggest club medal in the world.

**GavinZac** · 16/05/2005, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

We're in the ECF. Does that make us one of the best 2 sides in Europe?

as much as porto and monaco were the season before

**anto1208** · 16/05/2005, 12:39 PM

[QUOTE=4tothefloor] Who cares about 4th place QUOTE]

you do !

other wise you would nt have spent the last few months telling us how liverpool where going to catch everton and get 4th .

**JoeSemi** · 18/05/2005, 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=razor]Fair play to Everton, they have really faltered over the line but deserve 4th spot. Of the 54 league points on offer since Christmas Everton have amassed 21, thats 6 wins in 18. but the fact is they had done enough.
Interesting to hear Gerrards reaction when asked about Moyes comment about Everton being the best team on Merseyside. He more or less said that in years to come you can't show your grandchildren 4th place, its about medals and LFC are in with a shout of the biggest club medal in the world.[/QUOTE=razor]

Everton have got 4th spot on merit in the league as Liverpool's performance have floundered following european nights. Thats the excuse out of the way, but what Gerrard said best sums up what has been a great season for both Merseyside clubs. Everton will have very little to show anybody next season if they don't repeat the feat or achieve some silverware. Liverpool will be remembered as european champions with all the glory and knock-on effects that attaches itself to that accolade. The team photographs in the summer will look distinctly different also, with a few footballs at the front of a bunch of over-achievers and a european trophy propped proudly in front of a host of european champions

Congratulations to Moyes btw for his award, but its unlikely that it will be at the forefront of the new team photo either

**4tothefloor** · 18/05/2005, 2:13 PM

We haven't won anything yet lads, although I do agree that even a European Cup Final appearance is a better achievement than finishing 4th.

**Dillo** · 20/05/2005, 9:49 PM

Liverpool will be remembered as european champions with all the glory and knock-on effects that attaches itself to that accolade. The team photographs in the summer will look distinctly different also, with a few footballs at the front of a bunch of over-achievers and a european trophy propped proudly in front of a host of european champions

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AC Milan will be European Champions.
A recent interview from Ancelotti has banished any doubts that were in my mind. The shrewd Italian will have his homework done on the Merseyside dogs. Interestingly, he said that the most important thing is not to conceed to Liverpool. If Liverpool do manage an early goal, they will sit back as they always do and defend for their lives, just as they done against Chelsea and others. I can see the final being a dogged, negative affair. Milan will play a cautious game but their quality will surely prove too much for the scousers and the cream will rise to the top. This however has not been the story of the CL so far and anything can happen over the 90 minutes plus. My money is still on Milan!

**mypost** · 24/05/2005, 4:21 AM

Originally Posted by Dillo

If Liverpool do manage an early goal, they will sit back as they always do and defend for their lives, just as they done against Chelsea and others.

Tell me when sitting back on a lead was outlawed? Like Milan would never do that either, oh no! Everyone thought the same when we played Alaves in the UEFA Cup Final, and the game finished 5-4!!

Originally Posted by Dillo

AC Milan will be European Champions. Their quality will surely prove too much for the scousers.

That's what Coruna, Olympiakos, Leverkusen, Juventus, and Chelsea thought... But guess what, they'll watch the final like Everton fans on tv.

BTW, the postcard from Istanbul is in the post!!!

**DolansWaistcoat** · 24/05/2005, 6:32 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

BTW, the postcard from Istanbul is in the post!!!

Wish you were here!

**Kerry Blue** · 24/05/2005, 7:02 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

That's what Coruna, Olympiakos, Leverkusen, Juventus, and Chelsea thought... But guess what, they'll watch the final like Everton fans on tv.

And next season, Liverpool fans can watch Olympiakos, Juventus, Chelsea and......EVERTON on TV, playing in the Champions League!!!

**JoeSemi** · 24/05/2005, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kerry Blue

And next season, Liverpool fans can watch Olympiakos, Juventus, Chelsea and......EVERTON on TV, playing in the Champions League!!!

We're all broke after this years run, so a year in front of the box and a chance to swell the coffers again for another fun-packed Euro adventure in 2006-2007 won't go a miss

Don't flatter yourself into thinking we'll be watching you lot when there'll be a choice of Barcelona, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc,etc.....
Bridge-too-and-far come to mind for Moyes and Co.

**Dillo** · 09/06/2005, 6:31 PM

Originally Posted by JoeSemi

We're all broke after this years run, so a year in front of the box and a chance to swell the coffers again for another fun-packed Euro adventure in 2006-2007 won't go a miss

Don't flatter yourself into thinking we'll be watching you lot when there'll be a choice of Barcelona, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc,etc.....
Bridge-too-and-far come to mind for Moyes and Co.

Money is no obstacle to you JosSemi. You've gone on more trips in the past year than $Leon$ has had battered sausages- and my word he had manya sausage. Tomorrow will tell whether you've another euro adventure to look forward to next season.

**mypost** · 16/06/2005, 4:32 AM

Will there be 2, 3, 4, or 5 English teams in next year's CL?

Liverpool and Everton may fk up the qualifiers, which will leave 3 teams in England, because you know the red-and-blacks will qualify.

Btw, I would like to know why Everton players were interviewed to give their opinions on Liverpool's CL entry. What's it got to do with them?

**DolansWaistcoat** · 16/06/2005, 6:24 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Will there be 2, 3, 4, or 5 English teams in next year's CL?

Liverpool and Everton may fk up the qualifiers, which will leave 3 teams in England, because you know the red-and-blacks will qualify.

Btw, I would like to know why Everton players were interviewed to give their opinions on Liverpool's CL entry. What's it got to do with them?

There could be 5 teams in it no prob.Everton and Liverpool could meet in the 3rd round qualifier.

Everton are now the best team in merseyside,didn't ya know that ,they wanted to know how they felt about 'little' liverpool(5 times european champs)getting in the CL.

**Jaime** · 16/06/2005, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by KarlosIRL

Duff did against Spain but didn't in the CL, Ronaldo didn't in either (still in A. Cole's pocket from euro 2004) and certainly not against Porto in the last 16, and Rooney goals against poor opposition in the group stages.

Have to stick my oar in; Duff put in several hardworking performances in the CL, and although this is no indicator of world-class ability, his concentration and fitness levels were above average. He never played as many games in one season as he did last season, and so the price he paid for this fitness and endurance was that he lost a bit of flair, and was clearly jaded in the semi final against Liverpool. Yes, it probably sounds like making excuses, but it's a simple question; did Duff's performances over those two games in isolation show the entire extent of his talent; certainly not. Is Traore good enough a defender to keep Duff shackled for most of 190 minutes; in theory, surely not. So there are clearly other factors. Not least that Liverpool out-smarted Chelsea on a collective basis. But Duff showed glimpses, example being his goal against Barcelona. And he'll be back next season, in what will be only his second season in CL football. Have to say, I'll be looking forward to seeing Joaquin debut in the CL next season; can he make the step up?