Everton and Liverpool discussion

**OwlsFan** · 03/03/2009, 9:03 AM

Originally Posted by reder

Im just completely deluded with the club. The people I went to games with and met there, family and friends, no longer go to games. The club itself is a pale shadow of its former self and personally, I feel no affection towards it.

I always thought a club was for life, in good times and in bad and not just when it is constantly winning league titles?

reder · 03/03/2009, 6:01 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

I always thought a club was for life, in good times and in bad and not just when it is constantly winning league titles?

It is. I went for 19 years after we won our last one. People like me were going in the last 90's early 00's when the games werent even selling out and we were losing to the likes of Leicester City. Personally, I would prefer if the club stayed like that. I certainly would still be going to games.

Unfortunately, its now fashionable to go to a club like Liverpool, so they have no problem replacing fans like me. We are just a wallet and not a great one considering we only give the club ticket money and dont spend a few hundred sterling in the club shop.

Also, the fanbase has become utterly classless.

**KK77** · 12/03/2009, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by reder

Im just completely deluded with the club. The people I went to games with and met there, family and friends, no longer go to games. The club itself is a pale shadow of its former self and personally, I feel no affection towards it.

Each to their own and all that. I like yourself am going over since 1986 and just couldn't give it up for anything. Fellas like yourself are missed at Tthe games and i feel it's sad your support for the club is now gone. Hopefully you'll be back and soon. We all get frustrated with the club at times.

**OwlsFan** · 12/03/2009, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

We all get frustrated with the club at times.

Yep, must be tough supporting a team in the last 8 in the CL and 2nd in the Premiership

reder · 12/03/2009, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Each to their own and all that. I like yourself am going over since 1986 and just couldn't give it up for anything. Fellas like yourself are missed at Tthe games and i feel it's sad your support for the club is now gone. Hopefully you'll be back and soon. We all get frustrated with the club at times.

You can never say never, I suppose. Nobody knows what the future holds but at this moment in time I cant see myself returning.

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Yep, must be tough supporting a team in the last 8 in the CL and 2nd in the Premiership

My reasons do not relate to the success, or lack there of, of the club. Success isnt everything.

**KK77** · 13/03/2009, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by reder

You can never say never, I suppose. Nobody knows what the future holds but at this moment in time I cant see myself returning.

My reasons do not relate to the success, or lack there of, of the club. Success isnt everything.

Exactly.

**OwlsFan** · 15/08/2009, 11:31 PM

Everton can look woeful at times and yet they seem to always manage a top 10 finish. That was some thrasging and awful defending against Arsenal today. I expect them to bounce back though.

**OwlsFan** · 20/08/2009, 7:36 AM

Hats off to David Moyes for leaving out Lescott in the game tonight.

**shakermaker1982** · 20/08/2009, 7:43 AM

If Moyes stops thinking Lescott is worth 30 million he can leave him out of the team for good (i.e. he can ship him off to Man City!).

**OwlsFan** · 02/09/2009, 9:58 AM

Everton have completed the signing of Netherlands defender Johnny Heitinga from Atletico Madrid for a fee of �6m. Obviously the rumours of Dunne going there proved unfounded. A 5 year deal apparently so Moyes in planning long term. I don't know a lot about Heitinga but is he really better than Dunne who could have given Everton a good 3 or 4 years? I think his no nonsense style would have suited them.

**Oink** · 03/09/2009, 11:18 AM

Heitinga is far more versatile than Dunne and that was probably the major influence. He can play RB, CB, DM, CM competently and with Everton having a relatively small first team squad its a no brainer. I'm a big fan of Heitinga especially as a defensive mid, he has had a few rough patches in his career but I think he's a talent and a bargain at �6m and the premiership style of footie should suit him.

**OwlsFan** · 04/09/2009, 7:11 AM

Originally Posted by Oink

Heitinga is far more versatile than Dunne and that was probably the major influence. He can play RB, CB, DM, CM competently and with Everton having a relatively small first team squad its a no brainer. I'm a big fan of Heitinga especially as a defensive mid, he has had a few rough patches in his career but I think he's a talent and a bargain at �6m and the premiership style of footie should suit him.

But do Everton need a "defensive mid" - the Arsenal result apart - their problem I think last season was putting the ball in the onion sack but that's only from me, a casual observer.

**Dillo** · 29/10/2009, 1:28 PM

Is there light at the end of the tunnel? http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archiv...to-shrink.html

We have to beat Villa this weekend

**OwlsFan** · 29/10/2009, 3:45 PM

I still haven't forgiven them for 1966

Are they one of the few teams never to have been relegated from the top flight or am I wrong?

**OwlsFan** · 27/11/2009, 9:09 AM

I see Everton's suggestion to Liverpool that they construct a shared ground has been given the cold shoulder by Liverpool.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-new-home.html

**OwlsFan** · 30/11/2009, 8:28 AM

Everton were the better team in yesterday's derby but still managed to come out on the wrong end of a 0-2. I thought they played some good stuff in the first half but just don't have that cutting edge. Liverpool, won but the victory papers over the cracks.

**razor** · 30/11/2009, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Everton were the better team in yesterday's derby but still managed to come out on the wrong end of a 0-2. I thought they played some good stuff in the first half but just don't have that cutting edge. Liverpool, won but the victory papers over the cracks.

Agree totally, Liverpool are impotent without Torres and will never be an attacking force with 2 defensive midfielders in the middle.
Everton like Liverpool are lacking in a decent striker and confidence.

**OwlsFan** · 01/12/2009, 3:48 PM

Interesting article today on the 50th anniversary of Bill Shankly's taking the reins at Liverpool:

Probably the best British manager of all time with Brian CLough a close second.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...end-apart.html

I also love some of his quotes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...l-manager.html

**OwlsFan** · 27/02/2013, 10:11 AM

I heard Phil Thompson saying recently that Moyes had done "an unbelievable job" at Everton. He said it on Sky so it's the usual "skyperbole" but I would suggest that perhaps "reasonable" would be a better description. They were once a club that used to win things (the 1966 FA CUp Final still hurts) but now they seem to have settled for comfortable existence in the Premiership. They seem to be having a shot this year at the FA Cup (I know they lost a Final and a semi a few years back) but is that enough for a club like Everton or is, without the money of the Liverpools or Man Us/Citys/Chelseas, mid-table mediocrity now an unbelieveable achievement?

**osarusan** · 27/02/2013, 12:12 PM

Average 14th place finish in the pre-Moyes years, average is 8th place now. 5th this year, and look at the budgets of the team above them (and a number below them).