QuoteLike Arteta a lot, don't think he's quite top notch though.
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Arteta is indeed a very good player, sadly wasted at everton though
Like Arteta a lot, don't think he's quite top notch though.
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By magican are you referring to the fact that he made the 2003 season in which the Gers won 3 trophies vanish from the minds of the Rangers management and fans.Originally Posted by KildareFan
He was then sold by Rangers after that "magical" season in which the ended up with no silverware to whoever offered the best price.
And out of all the liverpool fans here saying he isnt that good etc how many have actually watched him play for any length last season ? id say 3 or 4 games at most and 2 of those would have been the derby matches .How can you argue with people that have watched him play 30+ games
Look at the stats he is the 3rd best midfielder in the prem league so if Arteta isnt top notch just how far off the top are Gerrard Alonso macherano and sissoko ..... dont forget Harry kewel
I'm not sure how accurate those "stats" are, for instance they say Ronaldo is the best in the league mainly when playing against the weaker teams which most of the prem is made up of, but fails to mention how he goes missing when he is really needed in big games.
Anyway my point is i dont think many liverpool fans would swap Gerrard for Arteta, and i personally wouldn't swap Mascherano Alonso or Sissoko for him either
You can roll out the stats all you like but Arteta is not better than any of Liverpool's central midfielders. He is not better than the likes of Michael Essien either, who also fails to make the top players. And the fact that Gareth Barry and Agbonlahor, who didn't even start for Villa on Saturday, are amongst the top players there tells you all you need to know about quoting statsA load of rubbish.....
Arteta is a decent player, he is a cut above your average premiership midfielder, but he is not in the top bracket of players. And he ain't ever going to reach that level at Everton. If he was that good (a) He wouldn't be at Everton - a bigger premiership or Spanish club would have him signed ages ago and (b) He'd be starting for Spain. Why isn't he starting for Spain, or even making the Spanish squad? Because he's not as good as Alonso or Fabregas....
The stats are about about as revelant as the FIFA World Rankings.
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Yea because basing a players rating on what they do on the pitch is a stupid idea. how do you propose you rate the players , another gem from the liverpool fans
amazing the way we had a lovely summer of talking about footy untill 4to the floor popped back in and started having pops at everton yet ye will be the ones to tell me to stop going on about liverpool oh the hypocrasy . Im going back to ignoring it .
So back to the blues, Manny flew in last night, he is on merseyside to finalise the deal in the next 24 hours , should be with the rest of the squad in london then tonight for the spurs game .
Hoping to see Pienaar getting a run out looked good at the weekend Baines is still injured and fingers crossed Jags comes in for the donkey Neville .
I hope it will line up like this
howard
hibbert yobo stubbs lescott
Carsley
VDM arteta jags pienaar
AJ
but ive a feeling moyes will go with the same back line but with Carsley neville in CM and osman and arteta on the wings big vic and AJ up front
You can roll out the stats all you like but Arteta is not better than any of Liverpool's central midfielders. He is not better than the likes of Michael Essien either, who also fails to make the top players. And the fact that Gareth Barry and Agbonlahor, who didn't even start for Villa on Saturday, are amongst the top players there tells you all you need to know about quoting stats
Arteta is a decent player, he is a cut above your average premiership midfielder, but he is not in the top bracket of players. And he ain't ever going to reach that level at Everton. If he was that good (a) He wouldn't be at Everton - a bigger premiership or Spanish club would have him signed ages ago and (b) He'd be starting for Spain. Why isn't he starting for Spain, or even making the Spanish squad? Because he's not as good as Alonso or Fabregas....
Arteta isn't a central midfielder, he played handful of games in the centre when he first signed so if you think he is a central midfielder, you can't have seen him play very often!! It's only since he moved to the wings that he has has really shone. Left or right, it doesn't matter,he is is at his most effective coming in from the wings.
As for tonight, Moyes will definitely go back to a 4-5-1 with the only change being Jagielka coming in for Victor i would imagine. I'd rather Jagielka replaced Hibbert who was crap on Saturday and have somebody like Pienaar play just off AJ.
I know poor old hibbert is getting caught a lot lately but he is a great tackler one of the best its his distrabution that lets him down but ive watched jags play at right back as well and he was worse , he is a midfielder really , id prefere if jags came in for Neville who can shoot cant pass cant tackle
If that's the case, i'd prefer Neville at right back than Hibbert. All everton fans have been saying for a long time that Hibbert is excellent except for his passing but passing is a huge part of football, the amout of moves that break down when the ball reaches him crossing the halfway line is ridiculous. Neville is a much better crosser of the ball created a few goals last year like AJ's excellent at White Hart Lane last year
Anto here's a question for you. Do you think Gabby Agbonlahor is the 10th best player in the Premiership.
If you answer (A - Yes) then you know nothing about football.
If you answer (B- No) then you will disprove the very point you are trying to make.
Stats show you how many times someone passed or shot or how many yards he ran etc. If you think that gives you the whole picture you should give the FAI a call. They are full of people who don't "get" football.
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here was me thinking running passing and shooting where important parts of the game , oh silly me so what is it that makes you a good footballer? its not what you do on the pitch its what you dont do
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The truth hurts eh Anto, anyone using Opto stats to try and argue how good a player is has shot himself in the foot before he's even started
Care to answer the question?
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I wouldnt have seen enough of gabby to know how good he is clearly you have watched a lot of villa games are therefor you are better able to judge , but i would say looking at the table it seems to be pretty acurateThe truth hurts eh Anto, anyone using Opto stats to try and argue how good a player is has shot himself in the foot before he's even started
Care to answer the question?
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1 D Drogba Top scorer
2 C Ronaldo player of the season
3 D Berbatov spurs best player
4 W Rooney fantastic player
5 F Lampard fantastic player
6 M Arteta genius
7 F Fabregas genius
8 G Barry
9 B McCarthy 18goals in his first year
10 G Agbonlahor
the only two i wouldnt know much about are the villa boys but to score so highly in a below par team they must have played well .
But to answer your question i dont use the stats to pick my best players but i am able to call on them to back up my point of view.
Why dont you answer the question on how do you rate a player ?
is it if he plays for a top club ?
in that case liverpool have no top players and john o shea and darren fletcher are top players so thats not a good method .
Is it because he plays for the international side as 4tothefloor suggests ?
in that case ledly king is better than Carraim sure if i checked a certain other thread id find ye argueing against that very point .
Stats ?
No you cant use stats to prove how well they played
im looking foward to finding out your method of judging players ability without watching them play or using stats , perhaps you know so much about football that you can just tell a great player by looking at there name .
Anto, I read the first couple of lines and I can see you're shirking so I can't even be bothered reading the rest of your post mate. It's taken you 2 hours to come back and you still can't answer.
Its really quite simple. Do you think Agbonlahor is the 10th best player in the Premiership? If not you've shot your own argument down.
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Even you admit the stats are wrong. If ronaldo was player of the season why is he only number 2. By that logic Chelsea won the league last seasonI wouldnt have seen enough of gabby to know how good he is clearly you have watched a lot of villa games are therefor you are better able to judge , but i would say looking at the table it seems to be pretty acurate
ie
1 D Drogba Top scorer
2 C Ronaldo player of the season
3 D Berbatov spurs best player
4 W Rooney fantastic player
5 F Lampard fantastic player
6 M Arteta genius
7 F Fabregas genius
8 G Barry
9 B McCarthy 18goals in his first year
10 G Agbonlahor
the only two i wouldnt know much about are the villa boys but to score so highly in a below par team they must have played well .
But to answer your question i dont use the stats to pick my best players but i am able to call on them to back up my point of view.
Why dont you answer the question on how do you rate a player ?
is it if he plays for a top club ?
in that case liverpool have no top players and john o shea and darren fletcher are top players so thats not a good method .
Is it because he plays for the international side as 4tothefloor suggests ?
in that case ledly king is better than Carra
Stats ?
No you cant use stats to prove how well they played
im looking foward to finding out your method of judging players ability without watching them play or using stats , perhaps you know so much about football that you can just tell a great player by looking at there name .
A) I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO BESIDE ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS
B) IF YOU HAD READ PAST THE 2ND LINE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS
But to answer your question i dont use the stats to pick my best players but i am able to call on them to back up my point of view.
now how about you answer the question ? you have 2 hours ( just to be fair !!)
Last edited by anto1208; 14/08/2007 at 3:29 PM.
You use the stats as proof that Arteta is class and then you say " I don't use stats to pick the best players"......
I really don't want to waste any more time on this. Accept you've boobed and move on, it happens to the best of us
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HAHA BRILLIANT you should be a politician did you go to bertie’s school on dodging questionsYou use the stats as proof that Arteta is class and then you say " I don't use stats to pick the best players"......
I really don't want to waste any more time on this. Accept you've boobed and move on, it happens to the best of us
why dont you answer the question anyway just for the laugh id love to know how to judge a player by your methods
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