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    Quote Originally Posted by reder View Post
    Koumas was excellent when he played in the PL. He was head and shoulders above everyone else in that side. Smith would obviously be the best and most expensive singing but I cant believe you would discount Koumas.

    We will have to agree to differ on Richardson. Baines would be an excellent signing even for us (the mighty reds) but I think he may be looking to go down sauwth!

    Also wheres all this cash coming from, I thought you were broke!

    Comes from Blue Bill taking really good care of the club , JJB now running the club shop , big keith streamlining the running of the club and of course the big fat bag of cash from SKY 60 millish smackerooneys goes a long way

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    Woohoo ! first player signs in about time too hope its just the first of many .

    http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archiv...-jagielka.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by anto1208 View Post
    Comes from Blue Bill taking really good care of the club , JJB now running the club shop , big keith streamlining the running of the club and of course the big fat bag of cash from SKY 60 millish smackerooneys goes a long way
    You like Bill!!! Wow, thats a first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reder View Post
    You like Bill!!! Wow, thats a first.
    I know ill never understand the grief he gets he basically saved the club completely turned it around has us on the verge of being back among the big boys on very little money and without selling our souls to some corporation .

    But one major problem with the everton fans is they are a bunch of moany ****s !!! .

    I was reading on toffeepleb one guy who spent a week slating moyes for not picking Turner against Utd , saying he should give the kid ago etc etc . then after the game when moyes did pick Turner & Turner messed up leaving them back into the game , he was slating moyes for not picking wright . saying moyes has no ambition and Turner ( the guy he wanted playing ) was nt good enough

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    Naysmith going the other way 1 mill to sheff Utd . thats 2 left backs that have left the club this summer . Wonder will moyes be looking for a new one or hoping nuno gets a season injury free .

    Another strange one is VDM is back for first team training looking fitter than ever and talking about how he wants to make up for his errors and prove his worth to the blues . Great news but a sense of deja vu think ive heard this before . Still id like to see him and beattie Really make a go of it this year .

    Both have shaved the heads and look liek thye mean bussiness ......we 'll wait and see but 5 wont hold my breath !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anto1208 View Post
    Comes from Blue Bill taking really good care of the club , JJB now running the club shop , big keith streamlining the running of the club and of course the big fat bag of cash from SKY 60 millish smackerooneys goes a long way
    Is this the same Kenwright who sold of the youth acedemy grounds ?
    Is this the same Kenwright who didn't want to sell Rooney ?(And did)
    Is this the same Kenwright who fcuked up the NTL deal? Kings Dock? Also the Fortress Sports Fund?
    Is this the same Kenwright who sold the rights to the shops to JJB ?

    Some call it asset stripping !

    Everything isn't as rosey as made out to be. Also why would Everton need to get a £14 million mortgage in April of this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaran76 View Post
    Is this the same Kenwright who sold of the youth acedemy grounds ?
    Is this the same Kenwright who didn't want to sell Rooney ?(And did)
    Is this the same Kenwright who fcuked up the NTL deal? Kings Dock? Also the Fortress Sports Fund?
    Is this the same Kenwright who sold the rights to the shops to JJB ?

    Some call it asset stripping !

    Everything isn't as rosey as made out to be. Also why would Everton need to get a £14 million mortgage in April of this year?
    Yea and then build one of the best training facilities in the league out in finch farm opening next month for first team and youth teams .

    yea after Rooney put in a transfer request because he wouldnt work with moyes after he thought moyes leaked the story about the prossies . ( thats from rooney not Bill )

    NTL deal ! So what ,deals dont come off all the time , Kings dock you do realise we would have just been tennents in the ground it would have belonged to LCC . While a great location there is a load of reasons why this didnt go ahead . Fortress Fund wanted to buy the club 51% for 50 mill we got into champs league so the value went up they would nt pay any more and there where questions over the running of the fund . Very good call not to sell to them .

    Sold the rights to JJB and for the first time ever the shops turned a Profit !!! So instead of loosing us money every year its now making us money .

    First i heard of any 14 mill mortgage this april have you any link for this ?

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    im a mssive liverpool fan but have to give everton credit for the signings over the last couple of years, moyes has brought in good home based players for a fraction that overseas players would cost, yobo,cahil,johnson,neville(solid) and now jagielka, moyes is a good manager and the club would put many to shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by frog-gufc View Post
    im a mssive liverpool fan but have to give everton credit for the signings over the last couple of years, moyes has brought in good home based players for a fraction that overseas players would cost, yobo,cahil,johnson,neville(solid) and now jagielka, moyes is a good manager and the club would put many to shame
    Steady on there! Moyes is a good young manager but I think you are going a little OTT with the praise. He aint Shanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reder View Post
    Steady on there! Moyes is a good young manager but I think you are going a little OTT with the praise. He aint Shanks!
    True while he has done well he has also made some mistakes ( wright krolldrop beattie davies there's about 20 mill worth of mistakes)

    I also think he has paid over the odds for home grown players when you look at the 8.6 mill on AJ and compare that to say McCarthey at blackburn who got i think 18 goals last season and cost less than half .But thats just the market nothing much he can do about that , But then again he has bought some bargins Cahill 2m Arteta 2.5 mill yobo and lesscott 4.5 and 5 mill , They have to be worth 40 mill + now

    But he is a young manager and as long as he learns from his mistakes and makes the team better ill support him , IE: against spurs he went defensive with 10 mins to go at home and the game 1-1 , spurs then changed to a attacking formation and nicked it . Moyes got booed off the pitch the very next game he had changed to an attacking 442 and beat watford off the pitch ended up being 3 nil but could have been 5 or 6 . Most fans see that as a turning point in our season when we normally get nervous and try to scrap our way to the end of the season and fade away they finished on a possitive note and it showed . Bar disscracefull refering against chelsea we would have won that game and taken 3 points and 5th spot .

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    Quote Originally Posted by anto1208 View Post
    Yea and then build one of the best training facilities in the league out in finch farm opening next month for first team and youth teams .

    yea after Rooney put in a transfer request because he wouldnt work with moyes after he thought moyes leaked the story about the prossies . ( thats from rooney not Bill )

    NTL deal ! So what ,deals dont come off all the time , Kings dock you do realise we would have just been tennents in the ground it would have belonged to LCC . While a great location there is a load of reasons why this didnt go ahead . Fortress Fund wanted to buy the club 51% for 50 mill we got into champs league so the value went up they would nt pay any more and there where questions over the running of the fund . Very good call not to sell to them .

    Sold the rights to JJB and for the first time ever the shops turned a Profit !!! So instead of loosing us money every year its now making us money .

    First i heard of any 14 mill mortgage this april have you any link for this ?
    Sorry about the delay I have it on another computer. I will get it soon.
    The link about the 14 million that is.

    From what I read we are practically broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaran76 View Post
    Sorry about the delay I have it on another computer. I will get it soon.
    The link about the 14 million that is.

    From what I read we are practically broke.

    I find that hard to imagine with debts of under 30 mill , if you think about it liverpool had debts of 80mill + before they where bought by corporate america , Utd have debts of 300 mill + chelsea etc all in tons of debt . To think that Everton with an 80mill turnover (up from 40 mill a few years back )would be broke sounds strange .

    I dont think we have much to spend that would explain the long wait for players as moyes has to be carefull , But 14 mil in football terms is nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by anto1208 View Post
    I find that hard to imagine with debts of under 30 mill , if you think about it liverpool had debts of 80mill + before they where bought by corporate america ,
    Err, no they didn't, more like £25m according to shareholders.

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    Looks like Everton are not going to be spending again this transfer window.

    From www.football365.com

    Everton boss David Moyes has hit out at the "irresponsible" attitude of some Premier League clubs during this summer's transfer window.

    Moyes sealed a £4million move for Phil Jagielka from Sheffield United last week and is keen to add more players to his squad, but admits he is struggling to compete with some of the top flight's big spenders.

    The likes of Manchester United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Fulham and West Ham have splashed millions of pounds on new players this summer and Moyes fears inflated prices could have negative consequences for the game.

    He told Everton's official website: "I think there has been some irresponsible buying and spending by some clubs and it makes it a bit more difficult if you've got less money to spend than that."

    He added: "We'd like to add to the squad and I know the supporters are desperate to see new faces coming in, no more so than me, but things out there in the market are tight.

    "But we are certainly doing everything we can to strengthen the squad and give ourselves a chance. We've done it that way for the past few years and we'll continue to do so.

    "I've been a supporter, in fact I still am a supporter, but we're always quite cagey here and we don't give too much away partly because people know that we don't have the funds to compete at the top end."

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    I actually totally agree with him that PL transfer fees are ridiculous but sounds like the ginger whinger is preparing the people for a soft landing regarding buying players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reder View Post
    I actually totally agree with him that PL transfer fees are ridiculous but sounds like the ginger whinger is preparing the people for a soft landing regarding buying players.
    I thought the very same the second i saw the headline MOYES WANTS TO ADD TO SQUAD . i knew what it was going to be before i clicked into the article . same old line being brought out over inflated prices which is right when you consider Koumas 5.3 mill Nugent 6 mill and even a price tag of between 3 and 5.5 mill !!!!! for keiran Richardson !!!! yes keiran richardson 5.5 mill and the "we are looking to add to the squad and are working very hard" .

    So thats it for purchases im not too annoyed with that i think there is a good team there came 6th last year , cahill back from injury + jags signed and Nuno VDM back fit thats 4 players that we didnt have last year . ( i know clutching at straws springs to mind ) But what really annoys me is the constant stream of these kind of articles if they just came out and said thats it we re broke thats all we can buy id be a lot happier than thinking we are just waiting for the right players then end up on the 31st with no one .

    Yet they keep talking about breaking the big four !! rubbish look at the players UTD chelsea and even Liverpool have brought in ,the gulf is going to be huge this year we might still be a top 6 side but we will be 20 points off 4th spot

    Im thinking a we needed the cash story coming up soon when one of the better players are sold

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    Torres ‘made up’ to join club who could have anyone in world.

    I detect a potential legend.

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    Liverpool’s new striker, revelling in being given his chance on the biggest stage, tells Guillem Balague about his Anfield hopes

    Guillem Balague

    Fernando Torres was walking his two dogs near his house in Madrid – “two sensitive bulldogs” that he plans to take to Liverpool – when he got a call from a number he did not recognise. He does not normally answer his phone when he does not know who it is, but thinking it may have been a call from England he decided to pick it up in case it was Cesc Fàbregas, José Manuel Reina or José Antonio Reyes.

    “I cannot remember if he said, ‘Hi, it’s Rafa’ or, ‘Hi, this is Benítez,’ ” Torres said. The Liverpool manager was on holiday in Portugal a week after the Champions League final, but he was focusing on signing the striker that would help his team to make the definitive jump in quality in the Barclays Premier League. “I was surprised but did not realise the dimension of what I was hearing till I hung up,” Torres said. “Then I thought, ‘Wow, this club that can get anybody in the world has rung me, they want me.’”

    A month and a half later, a couple of days ago in fact, he arrived at Mel-wood at 8am for his first Liverpool training session. Nobody was at the training ground yet, so he changed and started having breakfast while waiting for people to arrive. He shook hands with Peter Crouch first, then Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard, and then he gave Reina a hug – he had arrived. At 23 he was finally where everybody predicted he would end up, at one of the big clubs, one that will help him to play for the first time in European competition and one where he is capable of fulfilling his dreams.

    Sadly, it could not be with Atlético Madrid, the club that saw him grow. And that became painfully obvious in the last match of the season just finished, a humiliating 6-0 home defeat by Barcelona. “We always raised our game against Barcelona,” Torres said. “It was one of our little victories during a season. We thought that proved that we could be at a higher level if things were done in the right way. But it was all an illusion and I realised it on that day. I had to move on.”

    When the offer from Liverpool arrived, he asked Atlético to listen to it and if possible accept it, even though Benítez was never going to pay the whole of his buy-out clause – €40 million (about £27 million). The offer was about €25 million increasing to about €30 million depending on targets, plus Luis GarcÍa, valued at €4 million. Then Torres went on holiday to Polynesia and he returned sooner than expected because everything was agreed.

    After passing the medical and signing he asked to say goodbye to his fans in Madrid before being unveiled at Anfield. “In one of the trips, at the passport control of the airport, we were there when a plane landed,” he said. “People recognised me and I started signing autographs, but at the same time opening a space so I could keep moving. I quickly realised life was going to be different in Liverpool.”

    Torres is talking about the weight of expectation that he has had to carry at Atlético, where, at 19, he became captain and the only person responsible for everything that was good and bad at the club. He was mobbed, criticised, scrutinised. He couldn’t breathe.

    People accused him of saying goodbye in a distant way, no tears or anything. When presented with the new Atlético shirt he rejected the opportunity to wear it. When the chairman offered a hug, he gave a hand instead.

    “I didn’t think it was convenient to wear Atlético’s new shirt when I belonged already to another club,” he said. But what he means is that it was never again up to him to represent the club he loves. There was no shield for the directors who for eight years had failed to build a team that could qualify for Europe. In the press conference at Anfield, the weight had gone. It was another Fernando Torres and the smile he wore that day has not abandoned him since.

    “I don’t care about the weather. My girlfriend, who I will live with, is from Galicia, where it rains constantly,” Torres said. “I know I am in a special club, in a city that has had better times, but that is getting stronger. I have already noticed that in the couple of days we have been here.

    “When my friends gave me the arm-band with the ‘we’ll never walk alone’ logo, the one they have tattooed in their arms, I was not thinking of Liverpool as my next destination, but there is a reason why we liked that sentence. At Atlético, in my district, we know what it means.”

    But training is different and he is already suffering the consequences of the hard work imposed by Pako Ayes-taran, the Liverpool assistant manager. “They do train here, don’t they?” he said. Torres knows how important the physical side of the game is in England. “I am going to play 20 more matches than at Atlético,” he said. “But I am sure the adaptation is going to be easier partly because I know some of the guys here, but partly because I can already see in training that the team moves like a unit.

    “It is a team that is already solid. I was running around trying to follow their moves but I’m still miles away to accomplish that efficiently.”

    However, other factors will help his adaptation. “I can see I could be useful when we use the counter-attack, with the long balls of Gerrard or the passes from Xabi [Alonso],” Torres said. “It is up to me to give even more to the team. I have scored more goals when I have been playing as a target man, but I can play off another striker, do his dirty work if you like.

    “I will have to get used to the different intensity of the Premier League. I also need to get rid of some of the habits one learns when younger. There will be a price to pay while I learn, a yellow card or two. At least I know from having watched the Premier League that referees allow more to the forward. In Spain if I made a fault it was a yellow card straight away, but here I can be physical.”

    Liverpool fans will have to wait until one of the friendlies in Switzerland next week – against Werder Bremen or Auxerre – to see Torres’s debut. His ankle is getting better and he is training normally. The forward played the last two matches of last season’s La Liga while injured to help the failed attempt to get Atlético into Europe despite the fact that he knew there could be moving on.

    Now he plans to start improving his basic English and keeps looking at the DVDs the club gave him when he arrived. “They are about the Kop, about the old players and managers,” he said. “I have seen a few of them and will see the rest when we go to China, it is a long trip.” Six years at Liverpool could also be considered a long trip, but Torres can’t wait to start. “How do you say ‘ estoy muy ilusionado’ in English?” he asked before going around Liverpool looking for houses. It is “I’m so made up” – in Scouse

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    Excellent article, thanks for that reder. Hope the club had officially contacted Atlético when Rafa phoned him though
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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse View Post
    Excellent article, thanks for that reder. Hope the club had officially contacted Atlético when Rafa phoned him though
    Shhhh!!

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    Sounds like every player joining every club .


    Anyway on to more important things the toffee's are on the telly tomor live on Setanta V N. Ireland .

    Half the team will travel as the squad is being split and the other half will play Bury . the game V wender Bremen will also be shown on 31st of july .

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    Quote Originally Posted by anto1208 View Post
    Sounds like every player joining every club .
    Anyway on to more important things the toffee's are on the telly tomor live on Setanta V N. Ireland .
    Dont be jealous. You know he's a born red.

    Your playing NI, the country?

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