American Football, and all the Aussie's in that makey uppy game are pro (and that game is even robbing the GAA of talent!)Originally Posted by Donal81
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Public money paid for a significant portion of Croke Park.
The GAA can do what they like with it.
However if they choose to leave it lying empty while hundreds of millions of euro and hundreds of jobs are lost to this country when they could be renting it out and earning money that otherwise would go to the British economy then they should not get any more public money.
wasn't there a professional boxing match there too, decades ago?
I meant games that the GAA directly competes with for attention and advertising. American Football doesn't, nor does boxing. International Rules is a showcase of the links between the two countries' games. To say that Aussie Rules is robbing the GAA of talent is exaggerating that particular situation. The GAA doesn't compete with Aussie Rules like, say, the Eircom League does with the Premier League, there are very few Irish players in Aussie Rules. My point was that I can understand why they don't want to help out professional sports against which they're competing.
Excellent point gspain. As far as I am concerned the GAA can get rid of rule 42 or not, it's their decision. They got previous funds from the goverment with no strings attached and fair play to them. However the situation has now arisen where the FAI will have to play their games in the UK for a couple of years because of the redevelopment of LR. THIs is a unique situation. Nobody is asking them to allow soccer and rugby to be played in CP indefinitely. If they don't want to do it then fine but why should the taxpayer effectively help pay down their debt (due to development of CP) when they choose to turn their nose up at the opportunity to raise some of these funds themselves by foregoing the rent and share of the gate receipts they would get from allowing soccer games at CP for a relatively short period of time. I don't buy this line that it will be the thin end of the wedge. If they remove rule 42 it will still be up to the GAA when and where they allow their grounds to be used for soccer or rugby. I don't think the government insisting that CP be opened up for these games in return for additional funding is any worse than the GAA saying that they will remove rule 42 if they get an additional €50m funding. Most people here supported O' Donoghue in his stance with the FAI over the advertising of the posts of CEO and CFO even though he himself stated it could affect some of the FAI's funding. If the government is putting public funds into a sports organisation it has a duty to ensure those funds are been used wisely. The same should apply to funding the GAA as it does to funding the FAI.
"I'd rather play in front of a full house than an empty crowd" Johnny Giles
If the GAA paid its players, it wouldn't have had the money to pay for Croke Park.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
I'm not sure what your point is. The GAA should be forced to do something because it's lucky enough to be amateur? The FAI will never be able to build its own stadium because it represents a professional sport? The FAI doesn't pay its players either (unlike the IRFU, which has its own stadium) but has sat on a huge growth in interest in Irish soccer and growth in interest in soccer itself as well as growth in revenue from advertising, sponsorship, etc. The FA managed to do it. The French Football Association managed it. These are much bigger organisations and I'm sure they received government funding but the FAI has never gotten its act together over the years to get this going.
Again, I hope that international games don't go to England and I hope people in the GAA change their minds but telling them how wrong they are and how they have to do this and that isn't the way to go.
The FA isn't building the new wembley on their own - it's with Sports England, The Government plus lotto funding.
Half the cost was put up by the Government, plus they have tax breaks for years to come.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
My point is that it's far from co-incidental that the two large stadia in the country were built by amateur (at the time) organisations. Organisations that don't pay their most productive employees have, by definition, more money than those who do. The implication that a professional organisation should be in a better position to build a stadium is untrue.
The Stade De France was built by the French government wasn't it?
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Apologies if this has been already mentioned in the thread, haven't been able to read the whole thing !
Does anyone know how the GAA got around rule 42 to allow american football to be played in Croke Park ?
If the Stade de France was built by the French government, I take it back, I assumed they were involved to some extent but not that much.
Unlike the IRFU, though, the FAI doesn't pay players, does it? The IRFU is making a loss because it pays the wages of all provincial players. The FAI doesn't do this. Instead, they have a gigantic organisation of committees and councils and clowns getting huge cheques for achieving little. The GAA and the IRFU are run like businesses (the IRFU makes a loss but this is part of a 10-year plan). If the FAI had been run like a business from the start and if someone had copped on to the obvious benefits of having a stadium, there would at least be some cash for that now and there would be an impressive organisation making an impressive plea to the government.
I feel that we're getting off the point, though. The GAA got their stadium not because they were an amateur organisation that had loads of money sitting around as a result but because they managed to lobby a government supportive of it.
I wish the GAA would open it but telling the GAA that they're wrong won't work.
You're obviously not an accountant
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind
FWISW
Rule 42: Uses of Property
(a) All property including grounds, Club
Houses, Halls, Dressing Rooms and
Handball Alleys owned or controlled by
units of the Association shall be used only
for the purpose of or in connection with
the playing of the Games controlled by
the Association, and for such other
purposes not in conflict with the Aims
and Objects of the Association, that may
be sanctioned from time to time by the
Central Council.
(b) Grounds controlled by Association units
shall not be used or permitted to be used,
for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or
for Field Games other than those
sanctioned by Central Council.
The basic aims of the GAA strike me as being as wrothy now as they were 100 years ago, if not more so:
Basic Aim
The Association is a National organisation
which has as its basic aim the strengthening of
the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland
through the preservation and promotion of
Gaelic Games and pastimes.
National Games
The Association shall promote and control the
National games of Hurling, Gaelic Football,
Handball and Rounders, and such other games,
as may be sanctioned and approved by Annual
Congress.
I am a soccer fan and a hurling fan, I don't think that allowing soccer to be played in Croke Park is a sell-out as the Irish soccer team has given the nation more moments of emotional unity and sense of nationhood than any GAA match ever played. But I do hope the GAA continue to promote all aspects of Irish culture, it is too valuable too lose.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind
No I'm notYou're obviously not an accountant
Mohammed Ali fought Al 'Blue' Lewis in CP in July 1972. Ali won in the 11th round. This fight was promoted by Butty Sugrue, a well known 'larger than life' character who hailed from Killorgin in Kerry and who was based in London.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
Have to assume that AF is not considered to be 'in conflict with the Aims and Objects of the Association', as Soccer and Rugby are.Does anyone know how the GAA got around rule 42 to allow american football to be played in Croke Park ?
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
i.e. it wasn't (perceived as) British
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
It this a possible solution to all our problems?
We get the the GAA to take over the running of association football in Ireland. In one fell swoop we'll get rid of the FAI and get to play in Croke Park!
Together with all our hearts.
Best post of the day by a mile. You should apply when the CEO job goes to open call...
Semper in faecibus sole profundum variat
[QUOTE=Donal81]Unlike the IRFU, though, the FAI doesn't pay players, does it?
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Do players on senior international duty get paid? I thought they did, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, if Bohs or Cork or whoever didn't have to play their players they could invest much more of their income into facilities and build a super stadium for themsleves.
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