Beecher Networks - Web Development, Hosting & Domains
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 40

Thread: Post-1992 Ireland XI

  1. #1
    Coach John83's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    8,624
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,950
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,148
    Thanked in
    711 Posts

    Post-1992 Ireland XI

    The obsession with 1992 will annoy Pineapple Stu, but here's a bit of filler from a football site desperate for content:
    https://www.football365.com/news/pre...-keane-mcgrath

    Would anyone argue the point? Townsend and Coleman seem reasonable choices, but there's competition. Kilbane, yay or nay?

  2. Thanks From:


  3. #2
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,662
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,280
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,854
    Thanked in
    893 Posts
    Always good filler, but we have such little genuine competition for places that once you pick the nailed-ons (Given, Keanes x 2, Duff) or stretch it to include players who spent most of their careers before '92 (McGrath - all hail) there isn't an embarassment of riches in most places.

    So, purely to be argumentative, here's an 'XI Better than their Caps Total Suggests' - injury-shortened careers, unlucky to have a better/preferred player ahead of them, just not in favour with the management, or the gods didn't smile on them somehow...

    Dean Kiely
    Kevin Foley Andy O’Brien Damien Delaney Curtis Fleming
    Steven Reid Graham Kavanagh Keith Fahey
    Eddie McGoldrick Keith O’Neill
    Stephen Elliot
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
    - E Tattsyrup.

  4. Thanks From:


  5. #3
    Seasoned Pro Kingdom's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Teeing off
    Posts
    4,979
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,467
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,058
    Thanked in
    622 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Always good filler, but we have such little genuine competition for places that once you pick the nailed-ons (Given, Keanes x 2, Duff) or stretch it to include players who spent most of their careers before '92 (McGrath - all hail) there isn't an embarassment of riches in most places.

    So, purely to be argumentative, here's an 'XI Better than their Caps Total Suggests' - injury-shortened careers, unlucky to have a better/preferred player ahead of them, just not in favour with the management, or the gods didn't smile on them somehow...

    [TABLE]
    Dean Kiely
    Kevin Foley
    Andy O’Brien
    Damien Delaney
    Curtis Fleming
    Steven Reid
    Graham Kavanagh
    Keith Fahey
    Eddie McGoldrick
    Keith O’Neil
    Stephen Elliot
    That's a great shout actually EG.

    Are we talking about Irish players in general since the dawn of the PL, or Irish players who played in the PL?
    Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!

  6. Thanks From:


  7. #4
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Seeing that Keith O'Neill wouldn't last 5 minutes

    Keith O'Neill Andy Reid

    and this
    Curtis Fleming Jim Beglin

  8. Thanks From:


  9. #5
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,662
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,280
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,854
    Thanked in
    893 Posts
    I just took '92 as the start date from John83's opening post, and decided that my team would be players who played all or at least most of their career after this, and not necessarily PL players, though it ended up that most played there for some period. Go back pre-'92 to, say, the start of the Charlton era (I'd have very shaky knowledge pre-'86) and some interesting names jump out. Gerry Peyton, 33 caps - but over 15 years - kept a clean sheet against Liverpool as a teenager on his debut. He was probably better than a lot of our first choices before and after him. Mark Kelly - 4 caps by 20, who knows what he might have become but for injury. Liam O'Brien...
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
    - E Tattsyrup.

  10. Thanks From:


  11. #6
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,662
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,280
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,854
    Thanked in
    893 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Seeing that Keith O'Neill wouldn't last 5 minutes

    Keith O'Neill Andy Reid

    and this
    Curtis Fleming Jim Beglin

    Fnarf fnarf! So, by my reckoning that takes you up to 20 minutes in both positions!
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
    - E Tattsyrup.

  12. Thanks From:


  13. #7
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Fnarf fnarf! So, by my reckoning that takes you up to 20 minutes in both positions!
    No contest really.
    Keith O'Neill would trip over his shoelace and break his leg on his first game after a 12 month recovery from previously running into a blade of grass.
    Whereas Jim Beglin's promising career at the top level was destroyed by a late horror tackle.
    Andy's intl career was cut short by ill favour.

  14. #8
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,662
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,280
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,854
    Thanked in
    893 Posts
    I thought Reid's problem was a tight g-string when it would have been better to b flat....
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
    - E Tattsyrup.

  15. #9
    Coach John83's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    8,624
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,950
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,148
    Thanked in
    711 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    I thought Reid's problem was a tight g-string when it would have been better to b flat....
    Maybe he was thinking of Stephen Reid, who seemed liable to be injured by physiotherapy, much less football.

  16. Thanks From:


  17. #10
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    I thought Reid's problem was a tight g-string when it would have been better to b flat....
    I did not extrapolate on which factor brought Andy into ill favour with Trap. But according to your criteria "just not in favour with the management", Andy wins hands down over Keef whether it be musical or football favour. Andy was never a factor after Monenegro, when he was last seen disconsolate on the touchline after Trap decided not to bring him on to win a game, when a draw satisfied Trap's ambition.
    Whereas Keith was eventually brought back to the team, all was forgiven for Keith and as a consequence of that decision we were left inconsolably brokenhearted on the fields of Macedonia.

  18. #11
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,662
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,280
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,854
    Thanked in
    893 Posts
    Maybe Andy R should have learned to play Bella Ciao. It could have made all the difference - for him and for us... I was looking at my team and wondering if Paddy Kenny or Rory Delap merit inclusion. Stephen McPhail. I'm sure there are others too. Actually, I'm sure there's a flip team out there too - an XI who I can't believe won as many caps as they did!
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
    - E Tattsyrup.

  19. #12
    Coach John83's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    8,624
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,950
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,148
    Thanked in
    711 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Actually, I'm sure there's a flip team out there too - an XI who I can't believe won as many caps as they did!
    GK: David Forde (23)

    RB:
    CD: Paul McShane (31)
    CD: Darren O'Dea (20)
    LB: Stephen Ward (50)

    RW: Aiden McGeady (92)
    CM: Paul Green (20)
    CM: Glen Whelan (84)
    LW: Kevin Kilbane (110)

    ST: Andy Keogh (30)
    ST: Shane Long (80)

    Subs:
    Conor Sammon (9) (all in the same year!)
    Alan O'Brien (5)

    Obviously, all inclusions relative to their number of caps. I can't think of a decent right back, because we've been fairly blessed there with the likes of Finnan, Carr, Kelly, and Coleman in the time I've been watching Ireland.

  20. #13
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,157
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    I'd have Shane Duffy ahead of Dicky Dunne.
    I'd have McAteer on the right instead of Duff and Duff on the left instead of Kilbane
    Folding my way into the big money!!!

  21. #14
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Maybe Andy R should have learned to play Bella Ciao. It could have made all the difference - for him and for us... I was looking at my team and wondering if Paddy Kenny or Rory Delap merit inclusion. Stephen McPhail. I'm sure there are others too. Actually, I'm sure there's a flip team out there too - an XI who I can't believe won as many caps as they did!
    I get the flip team idea but there is no argument with Jim Beglin - a class act v your Curtis Fleming - a good durable plodder. And Keith O'Neill after his appearance at Montenegro 1999 and previous form, would inspire the gravest apprehension in the bravest of souls. If in your opinion Andy Reid could not rate higher than the hapless Keith in the forgotten/neglected but talented players, then that will surely subtract from your football soul.

  22. #15
    Reserves
    Joined
    Sep 2019
    Posts
    388
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    3
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    171
    Thanked in
    115 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    GK: David Forde (23)

    RB:
    CD: Paul McShane (31)
    CD: Darren O'Dea (20)
    LB: Stephen Ward (50)

    RW: Aiden McGeady (92)
    CM: Paul Green (20)
    CM: Glen Whelan (84)
    LW: Kevin Kilbane (110)

    ST: Andy Keogh (30)
    ST: Shane Long (80)

    Subs:
    Conor Sammon (9) (all in the same year!)
    Alan O'Brien (5)

    Obviously, all inclusions relative to their number of caps. I can't think of a decent right back, because we've been fairly blessed there with the likes of Finnan, Carr, Kelly, and Coleman in the time I've been watching Ireland.
    You have to have Sammon in there over Long. Sammon was a dreadful footballer, no idea how he got 9 caps.

    Long is 33 and has been deservedly playing for us for 13 years, with his goal ratio similar to Quinn's! Not to mention the Germany goal!

  23. #16
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,157
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. For all his height and awkwardness, Sammon wasn't actually that good in the air. And was actually better on the deck. I remember him picking Robbie out for a couple of goals in friendlies and being pleasantly surprised by his awareness and assists.

    But yes, not international standard unfortunately.
    Folding my way into the big money!!!

  24. #17
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    2,662
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,280
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,854
    Thanked in
    893 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I get the flip team idea but there is no argument with Jim Beglin - a class act v your Curtis Fleming - a good durable plodder. And Keith O'Neill after his appearance at Montenegro 1999 and previous form, would inspire the gravest apprehension in the bravest of souls. If in your opinion Andy Reid could not rate higher than the hapless Keith in the forgotten/neglected but talented players, then that will surely subtract from your football soul.
    Beglin was a superb player, but gone before '92 which I took as the start date. Push the date back and I agree he's a shoe-in. Fleming was a solid pro without being anything special who could have wone more caps at a different time -an unlucky Stephen Ward prototype, maybe?

    Andy v Keith? Positional stuff. I always thought Andy was best centrally.* Mind you, both scored the same number of goals (4) - though Keith in just less than half the games... Discuss, with examples. (Sorry - I'm spending waaaay too much time reformattting exam papers to other assessment forms at the mo and cabin fever is beginning to set it...)

    *Drop McGoldrick, push Steven Reid right and play Andy at 10 in a 4411? Less down the flanks, but more creative in the middle?
    Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
    - E Tattsyrup.

  25. #18
    First Team
    Joined
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,181
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    80
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    919
    Thanked in
    602 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Eminence Grise View Post
    Always good filler, but we have such little genuine competition for places that once you pick the nailed-ons (Given, Keanes x 2, Duff) or stretch it to include players who spent most of their careers before '92 (McGrath - all hail) there isn't an embarassment of riches in most places.

    So, purely to be argumentative, here's an 'XI Better than their Caps Total Suggests' - injury-shortened careers, unlucky to have a better/preferred player ahead of them, just not in favour with the management, or the gods didn't smile on them somehow...

    Dean Kiely
    Kevin Foley Andy O’Brien Damien Delaney Curtis Fleming
    Steven Reid Graham Kavanagh Keith Fahey
    Eddie McGoldrick Keith O’Neill
    Stephen Elliot
    Perhaps Alan Kelly in goal - heir-apparent to Packie in 1994, first-choice for the Euro 96 campaign, then Shay came on the scene and he ended up with only 34 caps.
    With the wealth of right-backs we had from the late 1980s to the mid 2000s, you could include any of Kelly (Stephen or Gary), Carr, Morris or Finnan, but the stand-out would probably be Premier League-winning Jeff Kenna with 27
    Up front, surely Didsy over Stephen Elliott

  26. Thanks From:


  27. #19
    International Prospect
    Joined
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    5,073
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    829
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,583
    Thanked in
    1,092 Posts
    Kelly and Finnan have over 50 caps and Carr over 40. Finnan and Carr born within a few months of each other in 76 and Kelly in 74. Three cracking footballers. You'd think that if any two of the three were not as good then any one of the three could have had over 100 caps.

    I would say Finnan was my favourite but I would also say that, relative to talent, Carr under-achieved and Finnan over-achieved.

  28. #20
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,157
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    John Sheridan. With the Irish senior team for 7 years, played in two World Cups and was one of the most naturally gifted footballers available to us.

    34 caps!!
    Folding my way into the big money!!!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Matt Doherty D Wolves b.1992
    By theworm2345 in forum Ireland
    Replies: 517
    Last Post: 28/01/2024, 5:12 PM
  2. Best Albums of 1992
    By jebus in forum Off Topic
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: 29/07/2008, 2:13 PM
  3. England v Ireland footage 1992 Qualifiers
    By Piltownpossy in forum Ireland
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 18/05/2008, 1:30 PM
  4. UCD Stats from 1992-1996
    By qutus in forum UCD
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 27/04/2007, 11:33 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •