self appointed jehovahs

[dalo]

I was reading ffot.ie and citynet and I was struck by how deppressing all these threads are getting. sack the board sack murphy etc etc
Where the heck do these self appointed jehovahs get off. I haven't seen this much navel gazing since guns and roses relased use your illusion one and two.

if any of these mugs haven;t noticed we have played longford at the weekend yet no-one seems to comment on the on-field results of the club- another 2 points dropped making it only one win since our glorious epic win against shams in richmond park. That is of more concern to me

so please lads less of the boring deadly dull debates about the board and gunthers direction and more pertinent observations on the football.

[Jim Smith]

Don't you think that the board and gunther's direction have something to do with what happens on the pitch?

[dalo]

well it depends if you think things are going badly or well at the club. it seems to me somepeopple are talking a load of crap half the time and seem to be moaning about gunther to the point that even if we do finsih in the top three it won't be enough for them. yet thses are the very seem people who think mountfield was a good manager!!!!!

i am not saying ccfc is perfect it ain't but sometimes I wonder do the critics really have a clue what they are on about and perhaps lack some sort of personal happiness in their lives ;-)

[dahamsta]

I think a lot of people are thinking about the club as a whole dalo, and not just the team. Football isn't all about what happens on the pitch, and where the team appears on the table. The so-called purists cry out that the pitch is what it should be all about, but that's donkey poo - if it wasn't for what happened /off/ the pitch, you wouldn't have games to go to. "Professional" football is about soccer /and/ business; you can't have one without the other, the two are inextricably tied together. If you don't know that, you can't pretend to understand soccer. (I only understand one half myself, I'll leave it to you to decide which half. Call it an initiative test.)

City are doing pretty well this year when it comes to the former, but their management of the latter is the same year-in, year-out - incompetent. Last year, when they employed a Chief Executive and a progressive manager, they took a detour down what many (including myself) would appear to be the right path. But they didn't give it long enough to come to fruition, they chickened out. Some people complain that Mountfield wasn't producing results, but that was to be expected. You can't prove yourself as a competent manager in less than a year.

I don't know where you get off calling these people "jehovahs" by the way. They have a right to an opinion, just like you. And what exactly did they "self-appoint" themselves to?

adam

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Vetinari
"Professional" football is about soccer /and/ business; you can't have one without the other, the two are inextricably tied together.

Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC are the only professional clubs in the eircom League. But that's just me being pedantic.
As fans we should be talking about football. We don't own the club and bad business decisions are club business. If my local bar goes bankrupt, I'll be pee'd off but just because I liked going there and supporting them doesn't mean that the way they did business was any of my business.

Originally posted by Vetinari
Some people complain that Mountfield wasn't producing results, but that was to be expected.

Mountfield wasn't in charge of the team and regardless of results the board needed someone to manage their resources properly. You wouldn't let someone sheppard your sheep if they're going to let them roam wherever they like. This is old news though and could develop into a very boring thread.

[James]

I take it that I am one of those "self appointed jehovahs"

Well Dalo I am of the opinion that everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is wrong, neive to say the least and completely unbeleivable.

I only want whats best for Cork City Football Club and granted I havent been home since the Mons game, I have kept intouch with goings on at CCFC and from what I have heard things havent changed hence my attitude to both the board hasnt changed, and until I see improvement my disdain for the Board will remain unwaivered.

Of course if I see to the contrary when I am home for the bohs game, then the slant of my postings with thus be altered..but I doubt somehow thats thats going to happen..

As for the cause and affect arguement ..sums it up perfectly..

Dalo why do you think so many people are so agreived with the board...are we all wrong ..is that what you're saying..

NO smoke without fire man
Even Shakespere knew it..Something is rotten in the state of Denmark..

As for the football, that I will comment on, on Sunday..but I expect it too be good..

[James]

Originally posted by Peadar

If my local bar goes bankrupt, I'll be pee'd off but just because I liked going there and supporting them doesn't mean that the way they did business was any of my business.

ah come on now peadar.. lets compare like with like here, if a bar even your local goes out of business then you just go to another one...fcuk it if city went out of existence..I aint going to support ramblers!!

supporting your home side raises passion, pride in your team/city/area (alot of what the GAA flourishes on), and its alot diff going to your local..

as for mountfield, old old debate, half american now, so gota short attention span bored with that topic

[dalo]

I hardly call "sack the board" or "murphy out !!" exactly the most constructive comments I have heard in a long while either.

Expressing an opinion is all very well but some of the stuff is hardly very constructive either. How many of these people are actaully representive of the club supporters views. It just strikes that within these supporters clubs there exists a cosy little group who have nothing better to than start a fire where there is no real basis in the first place (before you ask yes I was in the supporters club a while back) Of course there is a lot wrong with City but if you had read some of the mails here you think we were as bad as ramblers.

As for understanding professional soccer I don't claim to the business guru as I am sure you are, I am simply a fan of cork City Fc and have been for a long time. I rememeber the late 80's when CCfc were a pile of crap and the differences between now and then have been immense.

yes we are all frustated at your failure to win more trophies, bigger crowds but what do you expect when wehave our players who despise many followers of the club.

sometimes a little balance is needed.

[dahamsta]

As for understanding professional soccer I don't claim to the business guru as I am sure you are

I'm not, neither do I pretend to be.

sometimes a little balance is needed.

Indeed, and that's why you're here dalo, and you're welcome. My point, however, was not that you shouln't make your points, but that you shouldn't attack people - by calling them jehovahs for example - just for stating their opinion. Attack the arguments, not the people, is what I'm trying to say, yes? The former is good debate that everyone can take part in without the risk of discussion turning into outright flame war. The latter is unreasonable and weak debate that politicians have to resort to. Be better than politicians. It's not hard.

adam

[Troy.McClure]

I agree with Dalo. More support should be given to the board & manager. Very few of us give credit to the board for developing the X , setting up a fantastic youth team, practically having another youth team from Stiophan Niopha for free, and robbing Stg £250,000 from Leister for doing nothing (AFIK no one has gone to Leister except Demian Delany for £100,000).

I dont think that all of their decisions have been correct (eg Why wasnt Colin Murphy contracted?) and I think that alot more could be done, but to say that they should be sacked is too much.

[dalo]

I think part of the probelm as to why people come out with sack the board or murphy out is part of the tabloid upbringing to which we are all exposed. Hence the jehovah comment. It was meant to sound as daft as murphy out or sack the board. if anyone mailers have seen me around at matches I am far from the explosive type (bar the shams game in richmond park in dec)

gunther may not be the most personable person i have ever met but things are going ok (we should be second though). i think privately he would be the first to admit he made mistakes and come next year he will be under pressure to deliver a trophy. derek mountfield was a sound fella but he didn't have a clue really and even in the very first training session alienated the first team with his comments.

as for the board thing most of them like lennox do have the interests of the club at heart. as for michael o'leary I can't say I know anything about the man at all and therwithin lies the problem.-
they don't make themsleves known to the supporters!!!!

i find it a bit disconcerting and odd to be supporting a team I really know little about and I know a lot of supporters feel the same. hence we get the whole sack the board thing, besides how are a board supposed to sack themselves :-)

a liitle clarity would be a good thing from the board. that I agree but as a limited company legally they don't have to tell us a thing and from the supporters point of view it is a fact most of us only are interested in results on the pitch.

now I don't want to be in a position wheer I do feel the need to support a bunch of well heeled business people either but (like me shouting jehovah) a little balance wouldn't go amiss eitehr

[James]

Originally posted by dalo
I think part of the probelm as to why people come out with sack the board or murphy out is part of the tabloid upbringing to which we are all exposed. .

again such sweeping statements and generalisations dalo
I was raised as it were on a dose of the Irish Times, a tabloid never once crossed our door.

Gunther not only made mistakes but cintinues to do so..ie Hartigan..but this has been discussed to death

but the board thing is interesting..sure corse they cant fire thmeselves, but here over the last week or so a number of posters have proposed varioyus ideas or whatever that we see as things that can benefit CCFC both financially and promotionally vis a vis public opinion ( which of course in the long run benefits them finacially anyway )

point being if we can see it, why the hell cant 4 or 5 well established and sucessful business men as our board are?

thats what baffles me that a city the size of cork, with no other EL soccer team/ competition can still draw such low crowds and have such a pitiful membership for its supporters club.

[dalo]

Originally posted by James


again such sweeping statements and generalisations dalo
I was raised as it were on a dose of the Irish Times, a tabloid never once crossed our door.

i doubt if I am going to be defending myself on this mb all the time james so i would prefer if you dropped the slightly superior tone. reading the irish times hardly makes one a person without prejudice!!!!!

Gunther not only made mistakes but cintinues to do so..ie Hartigan..but this has been discussed to death

but the board thing is interesting..sure corse they cant fire thmeselves, but here over the last week or so a number of posters have proposed varioyus ideas or whatever that we see as things that can benefit CCFC both financially and promotionally vis a vis public opinion ( which of course in the long run benefits them finacially anyway )

point being if we can see it, why the hell cant 4 or 5 well established and sucessful business men as our board are?

why does it have to be men? hardly the stance I would expect form a irish times reader ;-)

thats what baffles me that a city the size of cork, with no other EL soccer team/ competition can still draw such low crowds and have such a pitiful membership for its supporters club.

one of my bug bears for a long time james. we draw low crowds beacuse the product is not considered by the public to be good enough. people prefer the comfort of the armchair and still have the timerity to callthemselves football fans yet would say u are mad if you asked them to go to a ccfc game.

futthermore are perceived ccfc don't win enough trophies and are perceived as a clique who when it comes to the crunch games screw it up.

[dahamsta]

now I don't want to be in a position wheer I do feel the need to support a bunch of well heeled business people either but (like me shouting jehovah) a little balance wouldn't go amiss eitehr

Again, I take all of your points, but you're not getting mine. The lads are saying "sack the board" and "murphy out", not "ban dalo". It's up to City to defend themselves against these people, and it's not particularly hard for them to do so - one of them is registered here as it happens. If they don't feel it's worth defending, that's their problem. If you want to defend them, again, that's fine, but again, don't brand them. They didn't insult you, you have no right to insult them.

Personally, I think "sack the board" is the stupidest rallying cry yet, but that's neither here nor there.

adam

[A face]

Troy my man ... it was £50,000 between City and Mayfield i thought, i could stand to be corrected, Lads ... am i wrong here, and your saying £250,000 for nought, maybe £25,000 but that i doubt as well, City can be shrude .... but not like that.

[Éanna]

Originally posted by dalo
who when it comes to the crunch games screw it up.

unfortunatley that happens to be true. hopefully this season will be different. COME ON CITY!

[Troy.McClure]

Originally posted by A face
Troy my man ... it was £50,000 between City and Mayfield i thought, i could stand to be corrected,

From Leicester City's official home page

CORK ALLIANCE COMPLETED

LEICESTER City has completed a £225,000 strategic alliance with Cork City Football Club.

Peter Taylor, Leicester City Football Club Chairman John Elsom and Academy Director Alan Hill were all in Cork
yesterday (Wed) for the unveiling of the groundbreaking five year deal.

Under the arrangement Leicester City will forge close links with Irish league team Cork and prominent local
junior club Mayfield.

Cork City, now managed by former Everton defender Derek Mountfield, are one of Ireland's top teams and
they have competed in Europe in each of the past five seasons and were involved in this season's UEFA Cup
alongside City.

They will also get first sight of neighbouring Mayfield United AFC's under 9 to under 16 players.

Mayfield are the leading junior side in the Cork area and a considerable number of their players graduate to
the Cork City ranks.

Peter Taylor said: "I am delighted that Leicester City has signed this very exciting agreement with Cork City.

"I have been very pleased with the progress of Damien Delaney in the last few months and hopefully others
will follow in his footsteps.

"The Cork City club and this area has produced many very talented players over the years."

Damien Delaney's made his £50,000 move from Cork City in the autumn and City will now have first option on
all of Cork's young players.

Part of the agreement will see Leicester City coaching staff fly out to Ireland to take training sessions and a
pre-season friendly will be played between the two teams.

Leicester City Chairman John Elsom said: "It would be wrong for people to see Cork City as a feeder club. This
is a very exciting agreement which will be of great benefit to both ourselves, Cork City and Mayfield United."

Cork City chairman Terry Dunne said: "This deal is of great significance to Cork City as it will help us to
accelerate our plans for the ongoing development of the club.

"From the club's point of view the money, coaching expertise and general assistance from Leicester City will
help us forward along to road to professionalism."

City will contribute £45,000 per annum to the two clubs and this money will be used by the clubs for youth
development, to buy equipment, to meet coaching fees, recruitment and scouting costs and the development
of facilities.

On the playing side City will be entitled to loan any of its players to Cork for a period of not less than three
months while Cork and Mayfield will grant the Premier League team the first option to acquire the registration
of any young player.

Mayfield has acquired a 35 acre site on the outskirts of Cork which requires further development but offers
massive potential with Cork City planning to acquire part of this site to enhance their own training facilities.



1)City would have a higher proportion than Mayfield.

2)All prices in Stg£

3)The price for Delaney has risen due to appearences by atleast 10k, but I believe by more

[Éanna]

the official press release from the link-up is available here

[Peadar]

Originally posted by James
ah come on now peadar.. lets compare like with like here, if a bar even your local goes out of business then you just go to another one...fcuk it if city went out of existence..I aint going to support ramblers!!

Get real James, If my local goes out of business then I go to another pub. If CCFC goes out of business then I just go to Bohs.
It's as simple as that

[Éanna]

Call yourself a supporter?

hmmmmm, i wonder who posted that?