Welsh to copy the Irish?

[eoinh]

Which English clubs have played in the Welsh FA Cup, by the way ?

Chester were definitely one. Are they a nonleague team now? There were others.

[dcfcsteve]

Chester are currently League Two in England (the former 3rd division). They came up through the Conference season before last, having been relegated form the League in 1999.

Have just Googled on Welsh Cup Winners, and Chester were indeed in the competition up until the 70's ! More surprisingly, another former non-leaguie team - Kidderminster Harriers - were in the Cup until the early 90's. They're much further from Wales than Chester, and hardly out-of-the way of the rest of England (based in the Midlands).

Very bizarre. I wonder why those teams were in there, and who else was ?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Chester are currently League Two in England (the former 3rd division). They came up through the Conference season before last, having been relegated form the League in 1999.

Have just Googled on Welsh Cup Winners, and Chester were indeed in the competition up until the 70's ! More surprisingly, another former non-leaguie team - Kidderminster Harriers - were in the Cup until the early 90's. They're much further from Wales than Chester, and hardly out-of-the way of the rest of England (based in the Midlands).

Very bizarre. I wonder why those teams were in there, and who else was ?

The following English teams also competed in the Welsh Cup over the years... Chester City, Tranmere Rovers, Hereford United ,Shrewsbury Town.. The reason is historical, Shropshire, CHeshire and Herefordshire were originally part of Wales... the English nicked each of them over the past 1032 years of their imperial domination of our fellow Celtic Leekeaters... Free Wales NOW

The Bristol clubs may well have competed in their early years..open to correction on that one.

[dcfcsteve]

Since the concept of Wales as a country was created, the only parts of it the English nicked were primarily in Shropshire, and the fringes of Worcestershire and Hertfordshire. Quite a few place names and even street names are in Welsh in some of those areas- it's very strange to see 100% street names in an English town like Oswestry....

Cheshire was never part of Wales, at least for as long as the concept of Wales as a country/nation existed. There's still a law on the statute books of Chester from medieval times that means it is legal to shoot a Welshman from the City walls with a bow and arrow if you see one approaching after dark. It's still a local law - I sheet you not....

Southern Manchester was originally in Cheshire before they came up with the 'Greater Manchester' nomenclature - you trying to say the Mancs are really Welsh....?

P.S. Spot the amateur Celtic Studies freak.... !

[TonyD]

Can't help thinking the big Welsh clubs are being very short sighted here. Maybe once they could have dreamed about making the top Division in England, but how realistic is that now ? On the other hand a proper Welsh league, with Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport would be competetive, with a proper Championship available to one of those clubs, rather than just the hope of tying to win a Division. Surely they could attract the same, if not bigger crowds, if they were chasing a league title. Also they would have a Champions legue spot to go for, plus a UEFA one for runners up. I can't see why that isn't an attractive scenario to them. I also think UEFA is at fault here. If Wales don't have their own proper league, with all Welsh teams competing in it, then their national side should be taken away. (The same should happen to Scotland if the Old Firm leave the Scotish league.)

[Slash/ED]

I can't see why that isn't an attractive scenario to them.

I think every Welsh club in England has a dream of becoming an established premiership side and they seem to think if that happens they'd basically become FC Wales and be able to attract massive crowds. Personally, I doubt that'd be the case, but that's certainly what Cardiff seem to think

[CollegeTillIDie]

Since the concept of Wales as a country was created, the only parts of it the English nicked were primarily in Shropshire, and the fringes of Worcestershire and Hertfordshire. Quite a few place names and even street names are in Welsh in some of those areas- it's very strange to see 100% street names in an English town like Oswestry....

Cheshire was never part of Wales, at least for as long as the concept of Wales as a country/nation existed. There's still a law on the statute books of Chester from medieval times that means it is legal to shoot a Welshman from the City walls with a bow and arrow if you see one approaching after dark. It's still a local law - I sheet you not....

Southern Manchester was originally in Cheshire before they came up with the 'Greater Manchester' nomenclature - you trying to say the Mancs are really Welsh....?

P.S. Spot the amateur Celtic Studies freak.... !

Apologies for having the temerity to get a history degree!
Incidentally if the same logic used by those in power on the next island, to dominate the Irish Occupied territories were applied to England, then there should be a tricolour flying over Lancashire

[EireBadBoy]

They should try and enforce the UEFA licensing system, worked wonders in Ireland.

[dcfcsteve]

Apologies for having the temerity to get a history degree!
Incidentally if the same logic used by those in power on the next island, to dominate the Irish Occupied territories were applied to England, then there should be a tricolour flying over Lancashire

No need to apologise. Would've had a history degree myself if I hadn't bottled it and decided to do Business to get a job instead. Doesn't stop me from reading history in my spare time.... Disagree with anything I wrote if you like...