Big changes at Bray Wanderers

**peadar1987** · 25/01/2015, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Hold on......there's toilets in the Carlisle?

They're on the home side, Harps troublemakers aren't allowed in

**wonder88** · 25/01/2015, 10:48 PM

Do Bray W own the Carlisle Grounds?

**Seagull** · 25/01/2015, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by wonder88

Do Bray W own the Carlisle Grounds?

No, they have a long term sporting lease on the ground from Bray Town Council. I can't remember exactly but the FAI were involved in the lease at one stage, when the lights went in, I think.

**NeverFeltBetter** · 25/01/2015, 11:20 PM

I've never used its toilets, but I do think Carlisle is a nice little ground. I'll have to check out the facilities next time though, see what 400K buys!

**Mr A** · 26/01/2015, 8:46 AM

Independent article is now longer, and here: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30936986.html

**littlebray** · 26/01/2015, 11:54 AM

Only seems longer, as it (like RTE.ie yesterday) quotes the club statement in full. The only additional element is a mention of the Quigley dispute, first time in the national media I think. FAI money can be explained, and FAI will help craft the response, I feel, unless there is a real vendetta being waged against former Directors, who didn't always see eye-to-eye with JD (not to put too fine a point on it).

Possibly the real worry is the reference in the club statement:

"Regrettably, over the past few weeks the Club has become aware of attempts to prevent the proposed new administration taking place and canvassing the Club to engage in a commercial property development of the Carlisle Grounds."

The long-term lease at the Carlisle was achieved only after lengthy lobbying, and in the face of stiff resistance by a rump of public representatives. It wouldn't take a lot to raise the question again, and there would be a fair amount of hostility if the bad publicity continues.

Not that the lease itself would be queried, but if there was any legal loophole at all, there would be those who would wish to use it ...

**Trainee** · 26/01/2015, 1:18 PM

If their is a fraud charge to be answered surley its a criminal case against The directors of the club at the time the alleged incident happened rather than the club itself.

So I cant see it being a major issue for Bray & its new owners.

**Charlie Darwin** · 26/01/2015, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Trainee

If their is a fraud charge to be answered surley its a criminal case against The directors of the club at the time the alleged incident happened rather than the club itself.

So I cant see it being a major issue for Bray & its new owners.

The entity that misspent the money would still be liable to pay it back, although they could sue the directors was any impropriety proven.

**paykanti** · 06/02/2015, 3:47 PM

Just noticed Darren Quigley giving it some on twitter.

**Bunny Kelly** · 06/02/2015, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by paykanti

Just noticed Darren Quigley giving it some on twitter.

Again

**outspoken** · 06/02/2015, 4:26 PM

He's really not helping himself taking pop shots at anyone remotely attached to bray, he needs to just put up or shut up at this stage

**Jofspring** · 06/02/2015, 5:14 PM

On one hand I agree, there is a way to do things but on the other hand it seems, going by his tweets, that Bray are basically trying to put him off long enough in the hope he gives up.

**gufcfan** · 06/02/2015, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

On one hand I agree, there is a way to do things but on the other hand it seems, going by his tweets, that Bray are basically trying to put him off long enough in the hope he gives up.

It looks he was more than reasonable with them and that he is now frustrated at the people involved at times implying he is unreasonable, other times being told he'll get sorted and the rest of the time being ignored completely.

**Dodge** · 07/02/2015, 1:37 AM

Originally Posted by gufcfan

It looks he was more than reasonable with them and that he is now frustrated at the people involved at times implying he is unreasonable, other times being told he'll get sorted and the rest of the time being ignored completely.

Still hasn't provided a contract to prove he's owed money. If he had one, then the case would be settled

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/02/2015, 2:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Still hasn't provided a contract to prove he's owed money. If he had one, then the case would be settled

He's hardly going to either. Think he just wants somebody to intervene and get the club to sort it. Knowing how most teams in this league work, I'd be shocked if he wasn't completely in the right.

**Joe Strummer** · 07/02/2015, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Still hasn't provided a contract to prove he's owed money. If he had one, then the case would be settled

Here is the contract

**Joe Strummer** · 07/02/2015, 8:13 AM

Solicitors letter from Bray saying he earns €200 PW while contract says €100 PW.

**Dodge** · 07/02/2015, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Strummer

Here is the contract

That's not the contract he's owed money on. He claims he's owed money for coaching (as per solicitors letters)

He's shown playing contracts, several letters and hasn't provided the contract he's owed money on

If it was about playing wages the PFAI would be on it.

So the only logical conclusion is that he was being paid off the books by agreement with the former board/manager.

It's clear he has been ****ed about by the old Bray crowd but if he was happy to work off the books for them, then he has to take some responsility for the mess

EDIT: oh and another thing that probably points to something a bit murky here is the complete lack of media coverage this is getting. Where players are owed money, the papers are usually all over it. It's only a guess but I think the journos here are leaving this alone as its even too messy for them. It clearly isn't an open and shut 'player owed wages' story

**Longfordian** · 07/02/2015, 9:12 AM

A contract of employment doesn't have to be in writing. Obviously you're entitled to be provided with a written one but it doesn't necessarily mean he's not owed the coaching money just because he doesn't have one. I'd imagine a lot of coaches in LOI don't have written contracts. That said it'll be difficult to prove if it's just his word against Bray's. He'd need ex players or staff to back him up and presumably they don't want to for whatever reason.