Originally Posted by
mypost
You brought the subject up.
You can choose to fast or not fast. Your system doesn't care, it still demands that you eat food. If you don't eat, you can suffer anything from starvation, to anorexia and in extreme cases, you lose your life. So people eventually have to eat.
I brought it up to demonstrate the flaws in your reasoning; as an example of something over which we have choice, even if we need to do it to survive, yet there's no necessary moral obligation to eat, nor is it immoral to diet, fast or hunger-strike. You're not really demonstrating to me why it is significant for the purposes of our debate on the supposed righteousness of homophobia or anti-homosexual discrimination. Am I to assume then that your repetition of the above is finally an admission that this matter is of no significance to the debate?
As stated earlier, more than 4 in every 5 Russians are straight people. That clearcut majority shows that not "very many" people as you claimed, are bothered by the issue.
Please pinpoint where I used the term "very many". I said "significant number"; not "very many". A fifth is a significant portion, especially when it amounts to 20 million people. It's a significant minority. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that, there's no point really continuing to argue with you over it.
I've already explained why several times. I don't have to again.
Explained what several times? Why it would be rational and reasonable for people to assume that homosexuality is intrusive or aggressive? You haven't explained that at all. I don't think that insulting and irrational innuendo-laden caveat is at all important in many people's acceptance of homosexuality. Please stop dodging. Your posts are getting more and more meaningless, the more you dodge.
No there isn't. I've already said I'm not going to identify it, so there's nothing more to add.
Well, I don't know what to make of that. It's simply odd. I don't know why you're making such a big deal about this and being babyishly stubborn about something so inconsequential as providing details on the location of where you sourced your alleged information.
As said earlier, it doesn't matter to me what you've done. And I don't need to know your whole life history in order to verify it. The thread isn't about you, or me for that matter. But I don't have an issue with you dating opposite gender people that are non-Irish. What you can't argue with is that most people will only date those from their own race, black or white, and from their own local areas, as it's easier for them to go with what they know.
If you weren't interested, why did you ask me personally? I was simply stating my own position on a proposition that was ridiculous to me. I can't speak with any degree of certainty for other people, so don't try and give the impression that I was trying to argue something on their behalf when all I have been doing is pointing out entirely plausible alternative explanations to you.
Even if what you said was true - that people tend to go with what they know - that wouldn't mean the majority of people are racists. It would just mean that many people might prefer engagement/interaction with what is most convenient or with what they feel culturally most comfortable or at home. That's not racism. Remind me of the relevance of this matter again...
I think my stance on this issue is pretty clear by now and I have defended the main points. Sorry for not elaborating to your satisfaction, but once again, this post is bombarded with questions and waffle, many of which I can't and/or don't want to respond to for numerous reasons.
You haven't defended your main points at all. There are post-loads of absolutely crucial questions throughout this thread that remain unanswered, so let's not try and kid people. What would those reasons be anyway?
I've given you an insight into Russian culture. It's clear you want them to conform to what the culture is in this part of the world. Well unfortunately for you, Russia is different. The country is different, the culture is different, the people are different. They are a stubborn race of people, and not interested in being lectured by foreigners on how their culture is apparantly "wrong".
More misrepresentation. I don't advocate or endorse conformity. Russians can believe what they want and be "traditionalists" if they want; I'm just pointing out the irrationality of such attitudes. People can choose to be irrational if they like.
Peadar, I think mypost has just unwittingly produced his own contradicting analogy in his defence of Russia and Russians being different in their unwillingness to embrace/tolerate homosexuality. Of course, he has no time for people criticising Russian difference (their attitutes on homosexuality), but he has all the time in the world for prejudice and people discriminating against homosexual difference.
How does this read, mypost?:
I've given you an insight into LGBT issues. It's clear you want homosexuals to conform to what the supposed "norm" is in your world. Well, unfortunately for you, homosexuals are different. The lifestyle is different, the culture is different, the people are different. They are a stubborn group of people, and not interested in being lectured by homophobes on how their culture is apparently "wrong".
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