UEFA fine?

[Cowboy]

I'm a journalist so freedom of expression is something that I not only value but believe to be essential to my profession so do not tell me that's what I'm attempting to do.

But once you establish the principle that some type of booing is ok and some not where does it end, this is football we are talking about here and far worse behaviour than booing goes on, EG questioning the refs parentage etc would you object to that too?

[Donal81]

But once you establish the principle that some type of booing is ok and some not where does it end, this is football we are talking about here and far worse behaviour than booing goes on, EG questioning the refs parentage etc would you object to that too?

Where does it end? It ends when you're booing for reasons other than football reasons. Booing a guy because he plays for a club that has a rivalry with another club that is associated with Ireland in general. Again, I think you're being pedantic here in that you're condoning such behaviour on the basis that it's a human right - although you don't partake in it - but ignoring overwhelming evidence, e.g. mindless booing of players such as Lovenkrans - he was booed when he eventually came on - who have absolutely nothing to do with Cromwell, occupation, Irish emigration and thus feeding into and supporting what is a miserable, grotty dispute between two sets of bigots in Glasgow who are hundreds of miles and years removed from Northern Ireland.

Far worse behaviour than booing goes on but is that a defence of booing a Rangers player? You'll have to do better than that, mate. I played football for years and have gone to football matches for years - I'm not just pontificating but I hate seeing things that bring down the tone of a game of ball. Am I out of order/a "self-appointed moral guardian"/PC peddler just for saying that some level of common deceny should apply to it? If a player dives like Pires, boo away and I'll do it with you. If a player is cheating, fine. If a ref makes a terrible decision, booing is completely within order. Booing some random punter from Dennmark or Croatia or Macedonia or Scotland because he has the nerve to play for a successful club is out of order.

Did elements of the Windsor Park support have the right to chant "UVF Trick or Treat," boo Alan Kernaghan or make monkey noises whenever Terry Phelan or Paul McGrath touched the ball? The trick or treat and monkey noises are far worse than what we're talking about but the booing of Kernaghan? That's the exact same thing. Did they have the right?

[Cowboy]

Far worse behaviour than booing goes on but is that a defence of booing a Rangers player? You'll have to do better than that, mate.

No and I did not say it was a defence, now your putting words in my mouth. At this point I think its best to agree to disagree.

[Donal81]

No and I did not say it was a defence, now your putting words in my mouth. At this point I think its best to agree to disagree.

Why did you use it as part of your argument then, as if the fact that worse things happen excuses this kind of booing? Actually, I agree, let's leave it.

[fergalr]

To all readers I apologise for starting this thread - I had no intention of reopening the booing debate.

All I wanted to know if what Dessie said on the RTE news was true - were we fined or not? If we were not fined is nobody else a bit concerned that this falsehood gets read out over our national airwaves?

[Cowboy]

Why did you use it as part of your argument then, as if the fact that worse things happen excuses this kind of booing? Actually, I agree, let's leave it.

I repeat I did not say anything of the sort, you are mis representing what i said.
This is my last word on this subject

[Donal81]

Cowboy, you ignored several questions central to my point that I asked you and picked on parts that were irrelevant. That is my last word.

[eirebhoy]

A lot of ex and current ManU players get booed by the England crowd at underage and senior matches.

[Éanna]

Yer big into the Palestine thing.....is that & Israel,not 'sectarian' ..... or they both just misunderstood?!

I dislike Israel as a state because of its actions, not for religious reasons. I don't dislike individual Israeli's either, I dislike the actions of the state.

[Éanna]

Thats a bit extreme. I see at the top of your own post it says "Location: HATING $H€LBOURNE FC GLOBALLY" is this also part of this "vile sectarianism" ?

sectarianism relates to religion. I don't hate shels because of religious grounds

[Slash/ED]

sectarianism relates to religion. I don't hate shels because of religious grounds

Your obsession with Shelbourne is reaching biblical proportions at this stage in fairness Éanna

[Éanna]

Whereas yours is entirely rational.......

if football fans were rational, it would be a boring world and this forum wouldn't be worth looking at

[Dotsy]

I am sure Spain will be getting a fine from UEFA after the disgusting behaviour of some of their fans in the match against England last night. I was really hoping Wright-Philips would score just to stick it up to them.

[Cowboy]

I am sure Spain will be getting a fine from UEFA after the disgusting behaviour of some of their fans in the match against England last night. I was really hoping Wright-Philips would score just to stick it up to them.

It was pretty appalling alright, very sad to hear.

[Donal81]

It was pretty appalling alright, very sad to hear.

Nothing like a bit of football culture, eh Cowboy? I suppose those Spanish fans have a right to express themselves in that way. I would disagree but I'm a self-appointed moral guardian so I'll keep my PC nonsense to myself. Sorry, I know I said I'd said my last word but this is too much of a coincidence.

[Cowboy]

Nothing like a bit of football culture, eh Cowboy? I suppose those Spanish fans have a right to express themselves in that way. I would disagree but I'm a self-appointed moral guardian so I'll keep my PC nonsense to myself. Sorry, I know I said I'd said my last word but this is too much of a coincidence.

I had said my last word but this is really too much to let go. When did i ever say that racism was an acceptable part of football culture , it never has been and thankfully never will be.

I see no point in debating with you further as you clearly have some other agenda going on.

Racist chanting is totally unacceptable and if you had any decency you would withdraw your remarks.

[Donal81]

I had said my last word but this is really too much to let go. When did i ever say that racism was an acceptable part of football culture , it never has been and thankfully never will be.

You really are a moron and i see no point in debating with you as you clearly have some other agenda going on.

Racist chanting is totally unacceptable and if you had any decency you would withdraw your remarks.

I will not withdraw my remark. You based your entire argument that supporters have a right to boo someone because they play for Rangers and that expressing themselves was their right. I was in the wrong, apparently, for suggesting that people don't have a right to exploit this right. That's exactly what those scum were doing last night. What's the real difference between bigotry and racism? One is mindless hatred of religion based on history, the other is skin colour. You condone bigoted booing but condemn racist chanting. Not only that, but you called my problem with booing PC nonsense so your moron remark doesn't hold much water, either.

[Cowboy]

I will not withdraw my remark. You based your entire argument that supporters have a right to boo someone because they play for Rangers and that expressing themselves was their right. I was in the wrong, apparently, for suggesting that people don't have a right to exploit this right. That's exactly what those scum were doing last night. What's the real difference between bigotry and racism? One is mindless hatred of religion based on history, the other is skin colour. You condone bigoted booing but condemn racist chanting. Not only that, but you called my problem with booing PC nonsense so your moron remark doesn't hold much water, either.

I do not and never have condoned bigoted booing. At half time some EL fans booed some of the montly award winners from teams they did not support, are they bigots too? I think not.

BTW all the rangers fans I know seem to have much less of a problem with booing that you do

[Donal81]

I do not and never have condoned bigoted booing. At half time some EL fans booed some of the montly award winners from teams they did not support, are they bigots too? I think not.

BTW all the rangers fans I know seem to have much less of a problem with booing that you do

You are quite wrong there, Cowboy, you did condone bigoted booing when you condoned the booing of football players for whatever reason. My point was that I didn't think it was right to boo a player simply because he played for Rangers - a booing that is based on a bigoted premise - and you're point was that booing was part of football culture. I quote - "Listen player's have been booed for tens of years its part of football culture , keep yopur PC nonsense to your self."

[Cowboy]

You are quite wrong there, Cowboy, you did condone bigoted booing when you condoned the booing of football players for whatever reason. My point was that I didn't think it was right to boo a player simply because he played for Rangers - a booing that is based on a bigoted premise - and you're point was that booing was part of football culture. I quote - "Listen player's have been booed for tens of years its part of football culture , keep yopur PC nonsense to your self."

quite obviously you are taking my words out of context as we were discussing the booing of a rangers player, you brought in the bigotry element. you assume that such booing must be bigoted, i do not assume to know the motives of those who do it even though I do not agree with it myself.

I notice you have not replied to my question about the EL fans booing at half time.

You condone booing of referees (admittedly for a bad decison) but what if someone at the game decided you were booing becuse the referee was protestant or black would you accept such a persons judgement that you were a bigot or racist?