Quoteits bullshít rooted in sectarianism and anyone who boos a player becuase he plays for rangers (or any other club) at an international is an idiot.
in all honesty i dont see the major problem if we were to boo prso. maybe slightly harsh as its because he plays for rangers but after all these are the same glasgow rangers whose chairman was caught singing anti-irish songs, the same glasgow rangers who threw potatoes at the celtic players in reference to the irish potatoe famine. if he wants to play for them then fair enough but celtic do have a large following in this country and booing as not actually that bad, jst a bit of craic really....just a point
its bullshít rooted in sectarianism and anyone who boos a player becuase he plays for rangers (or any other club) at an international is an idiot.
Fair enough and of course I respect your right to your view but I still maintain that if booing is accepted as an expression of a particular opinion in the context of a football game then who is to decide what that opinion should be. In other words if booing a ref is acceptable than why should booing a player because you do not like his club team be unacceptableOriginally Posted by tiktok
Can you really attest to the motives of everyone who boos?. People boo for many reasons and whilst there is the possibility that some do for sectarian reasons to generalise in this fashion sinks to the level of those you seek to criticise.
I think you should re read your own contribution before posting. I did read your post otherwise I would have not posted a reply. Your use of hyphens to accentaute the word pathetic seems to assume that readers do not understand the meaning of the word. What I do have an issue with though is telling others when it is ok to boo and when not ( I think you missed my point on this one)
Perhaps in years to come when it may deemed unacceptable by self appointed moral guardians to boo a ref because of a bad decision you will be the one to be outraged by the errosion of freedom of expression
Its a fair point. I personally would not boo him because for me it would sink to the level of those you mentioned. As you say its part of the craic and I wonder if the players take it as seriously as contributors here do.
another generalistion, tell me have you spoken to everyone who booed and asked why they did?
Lansdowne Road play host to international soccer matches where Ireland play against other nation's football teams to qualify for international tournaments. (With the odd friendly thrown in for match practice and to help decorate Milo Corcorans tupperware collection)
Celtic and Rangers play club football in Scotland, while also playing in European club competions from time to time. Absolutley no connection to the Irish football team whatever. Many Irish people travel to Glasgow to watch Celtic play football. This does not incur a relationship between Celtic F.C. and the Irish football team.
Quite simple when you think about it really. Booing the likes of a Dado Prso because he plays for a Scottish club side is thoroughly illogical. And don't get started on religious / nationalistic arguments. Because I can (touch wood) categorically confirm that Dado Prso has done no Cromwellian-esque harm to this country...not yet anyhow!!!
Yawn...Can't believe I made such a weighty contribution to this lame duck of a thread.
Booing is the opposite of cheering. And while I very rarely partake in it, as a football fan I reserve the right to boo anyone i want.
And if the 'Charlie Churches' want to take the higher moral stance and place booing on a par with sectarian or racial discrimination, let them.
My experience of the Rangers things is that it has been pantomime booing.
if they're booing him for playing for rangers its because they "hate" rangers. which is the product of the vile sectarianism that infests this island.
I honestly can't remember whether he played or not but I suspect that if he had he would have been booed. There were requests made by Kerr among others not to boo Averladze before the Georgia game and these idiots didn't pay any attention to him then so why assume they would have done so if Muscat had played. I am sure the OKtoboo crowd would have been booing him.
The line up I quoted is taken by the IT article on the game the next day. There is no mention of Muscat anywhere in the report on the game. I can post it if you wish. I think it's a safe assumption the IT has is right.
"I'd rather play in front of a full house than an empty crowd" Johnny Giles
As far as I am aware we were not fined but warned and issued with a yellow card ..we are obliged to implementa 10 p[oint anti racism plan and that was the basis for the complaint..they claimed the booing was racist...if it happens anymore UEFA are to investigate it and take action....The guy that complained to UEFA is the son of a former international and heads up the sport against racism org.
I think all eircom league clubs are expected to do this as well..some already have Bohs Drogs etc..we will see the banners in the grounds next year like what are seen in the premiership...
I don't think the booing is a major issue anymore because the majority of the fans don't do it and it is getting less and less
Bring back the plank
if this is true can any1 tell me how the turkish F.A can cope. they must b paying millions in fines for every game. take any irish "bad behaviour" multiply by a thousand and thats nowhere near what the turks get away with, or do they get away with it?
I agree, this was especially true when some guys booed the wrong player thinking he was Lovenkrans and then cheered same player when they copped on.
Thats a bit extreme. I see at the top of your own post it says "Location: HATING $H€LBOURNE FC GLOBALLY" is this also part of this "vile sectarianism" ?
When we see rougher elements of the Windsor Park crowd booing the likes of John Hartson because he plays for Celtic, we think "scumbags," as does the rest of the civilised world. When the same thing happens to a Rangers player in Lansdowne, that's what we resemble - scumbag bigots. If that doesn't bother you as you can convince yourself that it's just a part of football culture and therefore beyond criticism, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I didn't miss your point - I just completely disagree with it and I think you're being pedantic in asking other posters do they know the reasons behind people booing Rangers players in Lansdowne. You know well that unless they have a personal problem with the Rangers player, which is unlikely, they're only booing them because they play for Rangers.
And don't give me this "I don't seek to impose my view on anyone else" crap, you've been doing it as much as anyone else. Making reference to "self-appointed moral guardians" and saying "Keep your PC nonsense to yourself," were two of your beauties.
i'm just embarassed when people start booing some bloke that plays/used play for rangers, cos i'm not scottish. if i was scottish, it might be more acceptable to care that much.
trevor molloy got boo-ed last night though, when he came out at half time (as well as some of the other LoI players). how exactly did he win player of the month at any stage during the season? must admit, i booed trev a bit myself, i have an intense dislike of him as a player.
They may well be booing them because those around are doing it, this is what happened when lovenkrans was incorrectly announced so it was not sectarian in nature it was just silly but hell let them boo who they want even if it is the wrong player its their problem.
Expressing a view and seeking to impose behaviour are two different things, what you attempt to do is take away others rights to express and opinion ( ie booing) however misguided the expression may be.
I would also strongly object to racist booing or chanting but I really do not think this was ever the case at landsowne
Fair point, booing someone isn't as bad as "UVF, Trick or Treat," or the likes but I'll never forget going to Packie Bonner's testimonial, Ireland v Celtic. The Celtic fans started chanting, "The I, the I, the IRA." This wasn't too long after Canary Wharf, Manchester or Warrington. I suppose they thought we'd all join in. Sure aren't we all Irish and don't we all hate the Prods, that kind of thing. Basically, while I appreciate the connection between Ireland and Celtic, I think the whole Rangers v Celtic thing is a miserable, unhealthy rivalry. Another poster here mentioned the behaviour of Rangers fans and how anti-Catholic the club used to be/still is. That's fine and I'm not making any case for Rangers scumbags but why do we have to sink to their level? Why boo their players and give them a reason to boo ours? Can anyone appreciate how pointless it is and how depressing it is for many of us to here a player booed in Lansdowne Road for no other reason than the fact that he plays for what was a Protestant club?Now yer just being ironic
Anyway,look fwd.to the day when Shels.are so powerful in the EL,They make up a no.of the national side......
I'm sure their critics from the south coast & Northside will be generous fans & supporters,to a tee!
As for me,'Boo all the H*ns,that you know.........'
To make up yer own mind,for one side of the arguement,see here?
Btw,Being sectarian is to be openly against someone else's belief......Booing is'neutral'.....
It's just not a serious issue.....the next time we play the T*ns in Dublin,will be;Puts all this sh*t in perspective!
So when you tell me to keep my "PC nonsense" to myself, you are not seeking to impose behaviour but merely expressing a view? Come off it, mate.
I'm a journalist so freedom of expression is something that I not only value but believe to be essential to my profession so do not tell me that's what I'm attempting to do. People have rights to many things but they clash. You and I have a right to say exactly what we want and express ourselves in whatever manner we choose. This doesn't excuse booing players because simply because they play for Rangers, however. There's a difference between having a right and exploiting a right. If you're black, do I have the right to see you walking down the street and call you a n*gger?
I certainly have the right to say what I like but you've got rights as well and I'm exploiting my right. Racism is obviously different from booing at a football match but it's the same principle of exploiting a right.
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