They should release half the team permanently.
From the FAI's Twitter: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/533652598197583872
Players trained today @ Gannon Park. Robbie Keane has been released to @LAGalaxy. Darron Gibson also released (minor knock to knee) #COYBIG
Last edited by tetsujin1979; 15/11/2014 at 3:50 PM.
They should release half the team permanently.
Totally forgot about this game.
Robbie being released after he travelled all the way over. Would have thought he would want to play against USA?Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Seems everything is not rosy in garden with Robbie / management? Maybe I am reading too much into it.
Bottom line is systemic problems led to the performance last night.
We need to go back to grass roots coaching
Some people on here really need to manage their expectations better.
It's still wide open lads. It's not all doom and gloom.
The occasion got to some of our lads but hopefully it will have added to their experience and we've three midfielders to come back into the team.
It's all to play for
We completed more passes v Germany than we did against Scotland. Put a positive spin on that one.
Not saying the campaign is over, just that that performance was utter drivel. Martin O'Neill reacted derisively to the post-match suggestion that we let the occasion get to us. Come on. We certainly did.
I think some players certainly did but he's probably just backing his players on public
Nobody, me included, is expecting Ireland to get anything from the game in March.
Even though Poland had players from the Polish, Romanian, Chinese & Russian leagues padding out their team last night.
We have players like Coleman (who wasn't allowed go past the halfway line where he is so effective for Everton) & McCarthy who don't resemble the same people that get rave reviews for their clubs week in, week out. Even Whelan's performances at domestic level go more appreciated, and with good reason.
There is enough evidence (Italy) that we can play better than this. Enough of the negativity. It has cost us so much since we were found out at Euro 2012.
Just a thought, but maybe Coleman wasn't allowed past the half way line because the Scotland left winger is a speed merchant who is known for exploiting space behind the opposing full back - case in point, his goal against Germany.
We can maybe trick the Poles. They are, after all, Polish. To wit from todays paper:
Warsaw-A Polish doctor says she is in deep shock since learning that a 91 year old woman she pronounced dead woke up in the morgue.
The doctor said Friday that she was sure the patient was dead after finding no basic life functions during a house call on Nov 6.
Prosecutors are investigating whether the patients life was endangered by the inaccurate diagnosis.
The woman laid in the mortuary for a few hours before a stunned undertaker noticed she was moving inside the body bag.
"The undertaker thought it was a prank or the rapture and then when he went to check it out, the woman poped right up and asked what happened to her bed she was napping in." Police said.
The undertaker was later seen drinking in a local pub.
Polish authorities said doctors should be trained to tell the difference between the living and the dead.
"Its probably important to be able to tell." Admitted a health official.
Exactly. Crosby thought we'd lose 3-0.
Expecting us to be able to do more than huff and puff and play head tennis all game is reasonable though. O'Neill has one game left to keep me thinking he's the man for the job. He has been publicly dismissive of the quality of our players and those he picks he doesn't trust to play without fear. It's a hybrid of Trap and Charlton. We need a more contemporary approach to a game that has moved on a lot in the last 5 years, let alone the last 25.
All of Irish football needs a reboot, but we all knew that anyway.
Separately, much is being made of Robbie Keane's comments. I have only read them rather than hearing them, so the tonal context is missing for me. He is clearly disagreeing with the hoofball tactics but I didn't think he is having a dig at the two who started. He says long balls don't suit him and he's more comfortable in a 442, that's where he scores goals. I did pick up on disquiet with the tactics but I didn't pick up on any disrespect to the others.
Fixer, yes it is all to play for but this is shaping up very similar to the last campaign. 3 evenly matched teams in contention for a playoff spot we came a distant third among those three. Experience tells me that once we start to slip behind we stay behind. With 5 home games left I'd almost be more comfortable with Stan in charge.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 15/11/2014 at 5:03 PM.
The only real difference between last night & a Trap Irish side was that we'd be lumping it long to Robbie Keane under the Trap. At least MO'N was smart enough to realise he isn't a target man.
Still dog **** football and something you can't rely on every time your team has the ball. That's why it was so disappointing to see. In previous matches we have at least try to play a little bit. Did we get sucked into the whole 'it's a like a derby game'?
The more you see the goal it makes me sick with envy!
The nutmeg on Hendricks, the flick by Brown and the finish. Who was slow coming out? Was it Brady? You see Brown is free & you've got to get out to him quicker. If he had then he may have been able to block the shot after the flick.
Trap had more plusses than minuses with the away team, only in Russia could you claim we managed nothing but defend. Claims of our use of the hoofball last night are exaggerated. We didn't play well, we didn't use (or get enough use from) Gibson, we didn't have an industrious skilled player like Hoolahan to manage affairs around the middle, but we tried to play it out, on the ground, time and time again.
Both goalies hoofed the ball from their kick outs, just as much as each other. Apart from that we mostly played the ball on the ground.
My definition of a hoof, is a ball hoofed from the kick out, or when the back 4 (under no pressure) hoof it rather than use midfield, or we end up hoofing it out after a bit of pressure. I only remember one hoof in the first half from the back 4.
I wouldn't say we hoofed particularly - if we had hoofed more we'd probably have had a bit more success. Our problem was that when we did try to play it through midfield or down the lines, our players were swarmed by Scotland who had more men in the right places to regain the ball. McGeady never got the ball without two men on him, Naismith, Fletcher and Maloney were constantly hassling Hendrick and Gibson, etc.
There were plenty of safety first type hoofs, but this isn't what I'm concerned about. Hoof may not be the correct word, but there were lots of speculative chips up the touch line or into the middle. The ball was in the air a lot and mostly because we put it there.
I only rememberer one safety first hoof clearance, from Keogh late in the first half I think, at least he got plenty of welly into it.
20m chips are not hoofs, not real hoofs. The midfield head the ball competitions came from both sides.
I thought we were beyond primitive. Yes we tried to get it down at times but when we did we could never get between their lines, only sideways. There were lots of high balls, chips and other non-measured, purely speculative passes that put the receiver under pressure and gave the defender every chance.
Anyway, despite that I thought it was a gripping physical context.
I liked this BBC description.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30067753
Interesting how he thinks that at key times in this campaign Scotland got lucky.
RTE's stattos saying it wasn't full on long ball game but it was not exactly tika taka either.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/
They say the 28 fouls showed how tough the game was. Is 28 not a low foul count?
I can only remember one offside all match. Were there many more?
Fair enough but I think it's been similar all through his Ireland career. He barely ever registers any shots on goal or crosses and his uncanny knack of ghosting into the box, like for Everton, is never seen.
I think we are missing a beat with him. I think he has been completely wasted at Intl. level. It would probably be better for all concerned if he was moved into midfield. I think he could be the source of goals that McGeady & McClean have never provided.
Just a pity that O'Brien isn't available as a feasible RB option.
And I don't want to rag on Walters all the time but his constant presence - be it in midfield or up front - just sums up Ireland's negativity and limitations IMO.
Edit: OK completely wasted is putting it a bit too strongly LOL.
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