24th/25th rounds LOI August 15th - 18th

**ATFC-1887** · 19/08/2014, 6:21 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Bloody Town more like!

Or maybe we're just as bad as each other?

I think so :P
Thought we could/should of won the game with the amount of ball we had but UCD had some good chances too. Been our problem all season. Cant finish our chances. Good crowd up from Athlone too. Pity we couldn't get the 3 points. We are more than likely screwed now. Can't wait for the likes of Harps and Cobh away

**pineapple stu** · 19/08/2014, 6:26 PM

Yeah, can't argue with that (well, apart from "should of" instead of "should have"

)

Obviously if we'd scored instead of hitting the post shortly before ye scored, the game would have been hugely different.

Long way back for Athlone now, but still doable. Our form and Bray's form has been awful; Athlone's is slightly less awful.

Also, was surprised to see Roddy Jnr back in the league!

Here's our goal btw. Third assist in about 15 minutes for Ayman, including the end of the Pat's game.

**Nesta99** · 19/08/2014, 6:53 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Long way back for Athlone now, but still doable.

I see what ye did there...i'd given up at this stage on 'had of been' as part of the vernacular of Dundalk!

**pineapple stu** · 19/08/2014, 7:10 PM

I'm confused!

What'd I do where?

**Nesta99** · 19/08/2014, 7:51 PM

'Long' way back......golden local newspaper headline stuff

**pineapple stu** · 19/08/2014, 7:56 PM

Ah! Get it now.

I can categorically state I did not intentionally make that horrendous pun!

**Nesta99** · 19/08/2014, 8:02 PM

I know! Thats why I had to point it out

**El-Pietro** · 19/08/2014, 9:35 PM

Originally Posted by oriel

Well thats true, but with us having the much harder game, and especially after your impressive away win in Derry, this was certainly two points dropped by Cork. That could be costly with only 7 games to go before the final game away in Dundalk. We will need to lose two games and Cork win same two for them to go ahead.

However a 4 point lead (5 really with the GD) is by no means out of sight stuff with 8 games to go. A lot could still happen.

no. you need to draw one game for us to have it in our own hands. we'd be within 2 points of you on the last day.

**sullanefc** · 19/08/2014, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by razor

What I did notice was the Bray goalkeeping coach sat in the Derrynane stand giving out orders to goalkeeper and players, (mostly go down, hold your head etc etc) but is it allowed for someone to coach from anywhere other than the dugout/technical area?

There is surely a rule against it. What's the point in the technical area then? Hopefully it's reported and Bray get fined. Would make up for that "performance" last night.

**Charlie Darwin** · 19/08/2014, 10:28 PM

Why would there be a rule against it? Anybody can shout things on the pitch from the stand. As long as they're not encroaching on the pitch or the opposition penalty area, they can say whatever they like from wherever they like.

**sullanefc** · 19/08/2014, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Why would there be a rule against it? Anybody can shout things on the pitch from the stand. As long as they're not encroaching on the pitch or the opposition penalty area, they can say whatever they like from wherever they like.

Can a manager do that?

**Charlie Darwin** · 19/08/2014, 10:46 PM

If he's not banned, yeah. When Steve McLaren took over at Nottingham Forest he spent a couple of games around the top of the stand and relayed instructions back to the bench. Alex Ferguson started watching more games from the stand towards the end of his time in charge at Manchester United. Sitting in the stand screaming instructions would be an unusual approach but there's nothing in it that's against the rules of football. And why would there be? It would be silly.

In the Ireland U19s game with Serbia during the summer, the Serbs had three coaches positioned in the East Stand at Tallaght watching the game and occasionally communicating with the players. I assume that's what the Bray coach was doing, sitting in a different position to get an alternative view of the play.

**sullanefc** · 19/08/2014, 11:04 PM

Not saying you're wrong or anything, just not sure what the rules are regarding technical areas, but what is stopping a manager going to the opposite sideline and walking up and down the length of the pitch barking instructions? You would prob argue that it's ok once he is in the stand. But what if there is no stand on one side, like say in athlone. Can a manager go to the other side and manage the game from there???

**Charlie Darwin** · 19/08/2014, 11:12 PM

I don't see why not. It is hardly going to give him an unfair advantage, is it?

**sullanefc** · 19/08/2014, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I don't see why not. It is hardly going to give him an unfair advantage, is it?

Well I just don't see the point in having technical areas then??

**BonnieShels** · 19/08/2014, 11:37 PM

There is no point to the technical area in my mind. I think and have always thought they were daft.

**NeverFeltBetter** · 19/08/2014, 11:48 PM

Had a quick gander at the FIFA rulebook PDF. Page 57 here: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/foot...en_neutral.pdf

It states "...only one person at a time is authorised to convey tactical instructions from the technical area" and then "...the coach and other officials must remain within its confines except in special circumstances" which are generally defined as a medical issue.

**Charlie Darwin** · 19/08/2014, 11:49 PM

Technical areas only refer to the field of play and the immediate surroundings. Any spectator area is not covered by it. The purpose of the technical area was to allow coaches to better relay instructions to players. Originally, the rule was that coaches must always be seated on the bench, but this was impractical.

Strangely, the FAI rule book doesn't have any mention of technical areas or ground markings: http://www.fai.ie/images/FAI_Rule_Book.pdf

**NeverFeltBetter** · 19/08/2014, 11:56 PM

But coaches are supposed to stay in the technical area according to FIFA, as long as they are "identified" before the match as coaches to the officials. So, the Bray goalie coach would still be at fault for leaving and going into the stand to shout instructions/whatever if that procedure was followed.

If it wasn't (that is, if he was not "identified" by the officials, as FIFA puts it), then I guess he wasn't violating any rule, though he was certainly bending them severely. Of course, its far more likely that the officials just didn't care too much about what one Bray coach was doing.

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/08/2014, 12:02 AM

It's a matter for a FIFA official I'd imagine, but I can't see how the technical area rules would apply to somebody in the stands. You may have a point that a coach can't leave and go into the stand without permission, but again it's not clear. The technical area specifications are designed to keep the respective coaching staff separate from one another and the players, not to stop coaches from relaying information.