Confirm or Deny...Pats..

**James** · 07/01/2002, 5:46 PM

Originally posted by SÓCcfc

You dont allow a player to get away with a foul even though he fouls in the spirt of the game.

yea but in this case its the FAI or league committee or whatever is the prob..if a ref to use your analogy misses a foul by a player you blame the ref for missing it not the player, more often then not

this time pats fouled as it were and the FAI didnt punish them

I blame the FAI on this one

**Éanna** · 07/01/2002, 6:37 PM

I agree. pats made a mistake. the FAI didn't see it, then they ****ed up the whole punishment as well.
if the FAI had their rules and procedures straight: the mistake would have been seen, pats would have been docked 3 points and that wold have been it.

FAI OUT

**Bernie** · 08/01/2002, 8:03 AM

This is a crazy decision not to deduct any points whatsoever.

If nothing its a two fingers to Cork City who we all know had 3 points deducted for the same offence a few years back, and thats the only similar instance I can recall. Why not use that as the precedent.

One rule for all???

**dahamsta** · 08/01/2002, 9:26 AM

/Exactly/ the same Bernie? If so, I reckon that deserves a new thread...

adam

**James** · 08/01/2002, 1:09 PM

Originally posted by Éanna

1+2+3= deduct 3 points, not 9 and everyone should be happy.

what the fcuk 1+2+3 = deduct 3 points !!!!!

1+2+3 = 6 first of all
and if your highlighting the number of games ie 3 then the equation should be as follows
3 games * 3 points per game the player was played = 9 points

where the hell are you getting 3 points from

i was worried about our education system before but now..this takes the biscuit. Eanna my 7 year old sister can add 1+2+3

**Seanie** · 08/01/2002, 2:20 PM

I believe that the punishment that Pat's received was over the top at first - but now it has turned into a godsend for them. There title aspirations took a serious dent back then and all the sides who played were supposely not facing top-of-the-table material. Suddenly at this most vital point of the season they have been bureaucratically catapulated back to the top. Imagine what this boost in confidence will do for the team - and it's wrong. If Pat's win the League they will not have won it fairly on the pitch - rather the shameful bureaucracy of this League will have pitched a dagger in the hopes of Shels, Rovers, Derry and CITY, who have battled it out in the meanwhile as Pat's go almost unnoticed.

**SÓC** · 08/01/2002, 3:10 PM

I would expect that this will be over turned by FIFA/UEFA if Shels appeal it but I donno will they.

The other team will use this a a huge motovation when ever they play and especially against Pats. Imagne what the Shels v. Pats game is going to be like in a few weeks!

**James** · 08/01/2002, 3:19 PM

FIFA and UEFA have no legal duristiction though do they over a High Court ruling or whatever?

AKAIK best option for appeal is a higher court

**Éanna** · 08/01/2002, 4:31 PM

Originally posted by James

what the fcuk 1+2+3 = deduct 3 points !!!!!

if you look at the 3 points i made, what i meant was that as i saw it the result should be a 3 point deduction.

**yan** · 08/01/2002, 10:52 PM

utter disgrace,

shels treaten to pull out of the league all together,

wat would happen if each club did the same

**Éanna** · 09/01/2002, 9:30 AM

the league is better off without shels anyway.

**wws** · 09/01/2002, 10:45 AM

total rubbish, use your noggin

**Pablo** · 09/01/2002, 12:32 PM

the question is now is that it? is it just going to be let lie as the 9 points given back to them or is anything further being done about it?

**SÓC** · 10/01/2002, 4:51 PM

There are actually alot of legal options open to the Shels, main and most obvious would be to seek Judicial review of the decision to give back the 9 points, at which the high Court would almost defo find in their favour.

Others being getting an injunction from the High Ct or even go to the European Sport Arbitration Court

**Pablo** · 10/01/2002, 6:52 PM

i could see the other clubs joining with them too.....

**Dodge** · 11/01/2002, 10:35 AM

more points

Some people, including Ollie Byrne, are saying Rules are Rules. Fair enough. Those same people are also suggesting, in the main, that Pats should be docked a minumumof three points. If the rules are so clear we should be docked nine, end of story. If you allow us to "only" be docked three you open the door to other punishments. you can't then complain about the fact that it was a substantial fine instead of points being deducted.

Nowhere in the rules, and again "Rules are Rules", does it allow anything other than a nine point deduction. If you suggest 3 points or replay the gamnes, you are going outsie the rules and using common sense and therefore cannot, justifiably complain when the arbritrator decides to go with common sense by stating rules are rules.

btw....I know one Pats official who was disgusted with the fine and wanted to appeal that but was, very wisely, advised to "shut up"