21st round LOI. July 25-27

**pineapple stu** · 27/07/2014, 10:01 PM

Just one last post on this before I take it to PM if necessary.

Originally Posted by Nesta99

I know exactly who PHECC are as I have done work with them!

I've done work with them too; I'm PHECC qualified for example.

Originally Posted by Nesta99

First Aiders should not be bogged down by PHECC Pre-Hospital care guidelines as that is not their job.

If he's a qualified first aider, PHECC is absolutely relevant (Occupational First Aid is the basic PHECC level).

Originally Posted by Nesta99

When somone dies from easily resolved hypoxia from not being rolled due to somone afraid to act in case of exacerbating an unlikely spinal injury we shall see what the courts have to say. In the meantime Good Samaratin Law will do just fine as a defence to litigation. Doing nothing is a lot worse than doing something in good faith hence litigation is a red herring and scare mongering!

This is true, and O'Shea has obviously nothing to worry about here (if he were acting in the capacity of one of the voluntaries, it would be different), but his actions were still wrong, and it's worth pointing out how potentially very dangerous they were.

Originally Posted by Nesta99

nobody died and a basic first aider should stick to the basics (dr)ABC's not riduclous immobilisations or jaw thrusts!!

Nothing ridiculous in the slightest about immobilisation or jaw thrusts (which latter, for the record, are outside the levels of first aiders).

Anyways, dunno why we can't play Derry in the Brandywell every time; great record up there, and an awful one against them in the Bowl. At least we only lost one goal on Bray. Bad weekend for us though, with Drogheda and Bohs winning, and Limerick maybe looking better than in recent weeks. Couple more injuries too, which we really can't cope with. Rather worrying that Derry beat us that easily without McEleaney and McNamee too.

**oriel** · 27/07/2014, 10:08 PM

Very comfortable win really. Played some good stuff in patches, and surprisingly didn't show one bit of fatigue after the trip to Croatia. We were very flat v Athlone last Sunday, this was a ruthless second half display.

Definitely big game in Cork next week, looking forward to that, I can't see us losing but Cork will be well up for this as they can't really can't afford to lose it, as 6 points behind will be a huge gap. I think the difference will remain at 3 next week.

**jinxy lilywhite** · 27/07/2014, 10:29 PM

What a weekend of trials and tribulations.

Biggest losers this week are:
Shams losing probably one too many games now to challenge.
Corks huge slip up in dalymount. Injury to a very key player.

Biggest winners
Dundalk comprehensive victory over Bray. This means that throughout our European campaign we never dropped a single point (draw with Derry happened before campaign started).
Pats - they have cork in their sights and 9 points of the pace. This is dispite their inconsistent form as opposed to last season. I do expect them to go on a run from now till the end of the season. The gap isn't too far for them to claw back with 12 games to go.
Athlone- despite losing to pats, heavy defeats to bray and ucd gives them a great glimmer of hope that they can get 10th and avoid even a playoff. They are 6 off but they have a far better GD.

Gonna be an exciting last dozen games

**PartySaint** · 27/07/2014, 10:38 PM

Our defending this season means we won't go on any decent run, realistically to catch Dundalk we'd have to win our next 10 games, we won't do that.

A Cork win next week coupled with a Pats win would be nice tho,

**jinxy lilywhite** · 27/07/2014, 10:40 PM

Was or is Conor kenna such a big loss?

**White Horse** · 27/07/2014, 10:55 PM

Bray played some nice football in middle of the park but lack creativity and penetration up front. Akinade played very wide though he did get a goal (even though it looked a mile offside). Dundalk were very controlled and looked capable of shifting up a couple of gears if required.

**Sligo Hoops.** · 27/07/2014, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

What a weekend of trials and tribulations.

Biggest losers this week are:
Shams losing probably one too many games now to challenge.

Rovers were never in a position to challenge this year. They have been going backwards since 2011. It's time for the programme editors to dust down the Hearts programme from 1996 when Nutsy came home. Hopefully he'll stay a bit longer this time.

**DRDoc** · 28/07/2014, 1:59 AM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Was or is Conor kenna such a big loss?

By some distance he is the most complete centre back in the country - a huge loss for Pats - the amount of times he cleaned up after Browne and others last season was incredible.

Pats are way more open also when Bolger is not playing and on his game, he drops between the two centre backs and reads the game very well

**PartySaint** · 28/07/2014, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Was or is Conor kenna such a big loss?

Kenna is a loss but as a team we're not defending as well as we did last season. As pointed out, Bolger has been in and out of the team and not in great form when he does come in and players like Anto Flood and John Russell are a loss because they made it very difficult for teams to pass the ball out of defence.

**Ezeikial** · 28/07/2014, 9:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sligo Hoops.

Rovers were never in a position to challenge this year.

The bookies clearly thought differently

**Candystripe** · 28/07/2014, 10:14 AM

What does everyone think of the turnaround in Derry City since Roddy left? Scoring goals for fun now while only scored 12 in total while he was here!

**Louth4sam** · 28/07/2014, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

What does everyone think of the turnaround in Derry City since Roddy left? Scoring goals for fun now while only scored 12 in total while he was here!

Good for Dundalk as look like you have a chance of taking points off everyone. Drogs look stronger too so could be a few upsets in last series of games. Hopefully none involve Dundalk

**Nesta99** · 28/07/2014, 11:16 AM

Was a fairly sure bet that Derry results would improve. Roddy had it set up to spoil and be defensive. Hutton knows what is expected of a Derry side and that is at least try to be in the game and not start off as if being beaten is a cert so damage limitation tactics.

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 28/07/2014, 12:25 PM

Turns out Roddy was right all along. There is a great squad there.

**pineapple stu** · 28/07/2014, 12:42 PM

A last point on first aid before I leave the thread back for football!

Sod's law is that it turns out Nesta99 is more qualified than I am, so while it appears my comments are right purely from the confines of my organisation's training, Nesta's right in terms of Joe Public's intervention. So he may have a spinal, but he does have a tongue blocking the airway, so if it's all you know, take the chance and roll.

As you were!

Still slightly surprised that Derry can lose 6-1 to Soligorsk (on aggregate) and then beat us 6-1. Probably best we don't qualify for Europe for a little while...

**El-Pietro** · 28/07/2014, 12:43 PM

So Josh is indeed a hero after all!

**Mr A** · 28/07/2014, 12:48 PM

I think what we have all learned here is that if someone suffers a nasty fall the thing to do is to engage in protracted debate as to what the correct course of action is.

**pineapple stu** · 28/07/2014, 12:54 PM

Only after the event though, of course.

Wouldn't want to look silly, like.

**Candystripe** · 28/07/2014, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

A last point on first aid before I leave the thread back for football!

Sod's law is that it turns out Nesta99 is more qualified than I am, so while it appears my comments are right purely from the confines of my organisation's training, Nesta's right in terms of Joe Public's intervention. So he may have a spinal, but he does have a tongue blocking the airway, so if it's all you know, take the chance and roll.

As you were!

Still slightly surprised that Derry can lose 6-1 to Soligorsk (on aggregate) and then beat us 6-1. Probably best we don't qualify for Europe for a little while...

But we did beat Aber 9-0 on aggregate so ye never know lol