Suggestion for Bohs and Rovers FANS

[Mawkgoose]

Im a Bohs fan and was at the game last night.I didnt get caught up in a ny of the trouble but Im looking for people who were.

From the reports it seems that both sides were as guilty as each other.All rivalry aside,its not Bohs scum and its not Rovers scum.its simply scumbags fullstop.

Im looking for a Shamrock Rovers supporter who was attacked or even saw those who attacked the Rovers fans.Id like to meet up with him/her/them at the Dublin City home game on Friday and walk through the crowd looking for the scumbags.Bring a cop and press charges to those they recognise.

Ideally a Rovers fan would do the same with a Bohs fan.

Its just a suggestion and im open to any comments.Anyone got any other ideas on how to prevent it in future?

[boc123]

Not sure if that'll work, best of luck if it does. It needs to be stamped out as quick as possible. If people can't go to games in safety there is something seriously wrong. The league has a bad enough image as it is.

Were any people arrested when the incident was occuring?

[Ringo]

According to a Shamrock Rovers Supporter on Joe Duffy yesterday, Throwing bottles at rival fans is "handbag stuff".

[A face]

I think that nothing up to now has worked so why shouldn't it be tried.

Lock the fools up and throw away the key .... the rest of us can get on with all things football.

Make no mistake people ...... a huge factor in Dublin clubs not getting support from general public is directly because of this.


I have spoken to loads of people who are all ten minutes from Dublin grounds and would go if the supporters weren't so bad, when i asked "so bad, why what happened ?" ... they say nothing ... it is just the name they have.

It is all directly related to the way these fools are carring on ...... if you fail to see this then you and your club will always enjoy poor attendances. Simple as !!


It might sound harsh but how else will you irradicate the problem ? You need to go into the crowd and handy pick the ring leaders and deal with them. If there was anyway you could get them to compensate for the lose of gate receipts then i'd suggest doing that.

These múppets are taking to money from the clubs pockets.

[onceahoop]

According to a Shamrock Rovers Supporter on Joe Duffy yesterday, Throwing bottles at rival fans is "handbag stuff".

Is it any wonder the game's in the state it's in. I know people who have written to Maguire and asking him to come down on the scum. They didn't even get a reply.

"Throwing bottles at fans is handbags stuff". Unbelieveable, what a moron. Did anyone pick him up on it. I'm speechless.

[Colm]

Im looking for a Shamrock Rovers supporter who was attacked or even saw those who attacked the Rovers fans.Id like to meet up with him/her/them at the Dublin City home game on Friday and walk through the crowd looking for the scumbags.Bring a cop and press charges to those they recognise.

I think you should think very carefully before doing that.
It would be absolute stupidity and would jeapordise your safety at Rovers games for the foreseeable future. If you're seen to be pointing fellas out to the cops those guys and their mates will be out to get you and a lot of other Rovers fans will frown upon you turning in their fellow Rovers fans.
I'm just saying you'll only be bringing trouble on yourself and for what? Let it go, it's pointless.

[A face]

Let it go, it's pointless.

Well it's obviously NOT pointless, because it made a national newspaper (no matter what your opinion of that paper, it is the readers opinion after reading that paper that counts)

I think something along the lines of banning both the clubs involved in finishing the league would not be too harsh. If you give these guy any room to move ... they'll abuse it. These cúnts are fúcking up our league and we are excusing it ..... Lock and Load .... take aim .... blow you foot clean off your leg.


Get rid of these bástards ....... !!


John Delaney will sort it out !!

[Mr A]

The real question here is whether there is a will at Bohs and especially Rovers to actually tackle this problem. I don't think there really is. It's been going on long enough now for the ringleaders to have been at least barred from games, yet it doesn't seem to happen. Instead of being a showpiece of Irish football Bohs-Rovers has become an embarrassment. Perhaps a couple of years of playing those matches behind closed doors would sort it out? Of course punishing all the fans for the actions of a few isn't entirely fair, but the clubs do have to take some responsibility.

[max power]

a think a nice thing to do would be to put a group of rovers and bohs fans in dalymount and introduce a group of turkish fans ( cant remember the club, not generalising all turlkish fans) and some millwall fans too and see how long it takes them to $hit themselves

[higgins]

I think the clubs are to blame....

They have this attitude that the scum are not rovers fans or not bohs fans and that the so called 'real' fans are OK!!

They are Rovers and Bohs fans and they are SCUMBAGS!!

They dont do anything about it ??? These morons are at all the games and they must be known to both clubs, so why not do something about it??

At Shels there used to be no problems at all, however a few of the newer 'post european' fans are little knackers and there have been fans asking for this to be sorted now. If it will or not Im not sure??? But you have to stop this crap before the stupid hard lad kids become SCUMBAGS in their 20's and the group grows and grows....

The clubs in question should be deducted points for these incidents and that might wake them up! and nothing would please me more then for shels to get a points deduction if they were the cause of trouble..

we have a chance in irish soccer to grow the fanbase but we need to get rid of these fools first

[boc123]

Would you be legally entitled to ban the fans involved in the the trouble on Friday night? The trouble happened outside the ground, so I assume the clubs would have no power..

[kevincronin2000]

Would you be legally entitled to ban the fans involved in the the trouble on Friday night? The trouble happened outside the ground, so I assume the clubs would have no power..

Sorry members only
Sorry not tonight
You caused trouble here before "a small lie would not go astray"
Sorry sold out! tough sh!t if they dont belive you.
If i am right there are bars in tolka and dalymount so ask for id even if there thirty something they look between 18-21 to you and prob wont have id

[max power]

Would you be legally entitled to ban the fans involved in the the trouble on Friday night? The trouble happened outside the ground, so I assume the clubs would have no power..

u can ban anyone from entering onto private property, and its not discrimination as if u have a view that they are going to pose a security problem or cause criminal damage you are legally intitled to refuse entry to any premesies.

the above is the basic legal sitution in Ireland with regard to entrance to private property.

[bohs til i die]

I think the clubs are to blame....

They have this attitude that the scum are not rovers fans or not bohs fans and that the so called 'real' fans are OK!!

They are Rovers and Bohs fans and they are SCUMBAGS!!

They dont do anything about it ??? These morons are at all the games and they must be known to both clubs, so why not do something about it??

At Shels there used to be no problems at all, however a few of the newer 'post european' fans are little knackers and there have been fans asking for this to be sorted now. If it will or not Im not sure??? But you have to stop this crap before the stupid hard lad kids become SCUMBAGS in their 20's and the group grows and grows....

The clubs in question should be deducted points for these incidents and that might wake them up! and nothing would please me more then for shels to get a points deduction if they were the cause of trouble..

There is this mis-conception that always crops up after every Bohs v Rovers game. They are in relation of the trouble that happens and it goes as follows ....

1. it is not the fault of the gardai
2. it is not the fault of the respective club boards
3. it is not the fault of the genuine fans

The trouble will happen whether you ban them from the ground or not. The trouble has moved from directly outside the ground. Over the last nmber of years the security has stepped up seriously. On Friday night there was 90 FAI stewards and about 80 gardai [including riot cops, horses and dogs] on duty in and around Tolka Park. It has been this way for 3/4 years now and those involved in the trouble know that if they are to cause trouble it will have to away from the stadium.

Clubs can only risk points deductions if there is any trouble inside the stadium. In the case of Bohs and Rovers, the two clubs cannot be deducted points under any circumstances, regardless of were trouble occurs. Neither club is responsible for security as Joe McGlue and the other FAI fools take over. When there is trouble, the Gardai dont arrest anybody, they just escort the trouble makers into the stadium.

Bohs or Rovers event control persons are powerless prevent people from entering the grounds on match nights when the Gardai just want to keep them all together in the one spot. You might disagree but that is FACT. I know this from personal experience.

[Éanna]

I Let it go, it's pointless.

its far from pointless. its another reason that our league isn't fulfilling its potential. this kind of crap puts people off going to games and I'm sick of this kind of filth damaging this league. the clubs, the league and the fans ALL need to take a more positive and active stance on the matter

[joeraki]

My point is Rovers and Bohs hooligans have taken their fight away from the ground. The Clonliffe road is a fair bit of a walk from Tolka.

I'll play Devil's Advocate here. A good while ago on here all sides where screaming blue murder as to why they didn't kill each other away from the grounds, now that they are people are giving it loads again.

No one got hurt except hooligans so big deal really

[bohs til i die]

My point is Rovers and Bohs hooligans have taken their fight away from the ground. The Clonliffe road is a fair bit of a walk from Tolka.

I'll play Devil's Advocate here. A good while ago on here all sides where screaming blue murder as to why they didn't kill each other away from the grounds, now that they are people are giving it loads again.

No one got hurt except hooligans so big deal really

For once the Gardai were pro-active rather than reactive on Friday. If someone gets seriously injured or even killed, the publicity and media frenzy wont do the league any favours. The FAI and Gardai have their heads buried so far up each others arses its unreal. I was at the FAI security forum a year ago and the issue of crowd trouble cropped up in relation to the Rovers-Bohs game on September 1st 2003.

Tommy Allen, who was then the EL commissioner [was that his position] blamed the kids from St Michaels estate. He said the investigation into the trouble that night came to the conclusion that the couple of hundred grown men in green and white hooped jersies throwing missiles in the direction of the buses had nothing to do with it.

Then, Joe McGlue and Declan McCluskey from the FAI said nothing actually happened and the Shamrock Rovers representative claimed it was the referee's decisions, the players irresponsibility and the kids from St Michaels estate who caused all the trouble. Remember, spectator safety at Bohs v Rovers, FAI Cup semi's and Finals as well and every Home Ireland international lies in the hands of this clowns.

Remember, event control people from both clubs are pretty much redundant when Bohs player Rovers. The match is in the hands of the FAI fools like McGlue and the Gardai.

All I can say is god love us if we ever see an Irish team draw Millwall/Chelsea etc in European competition.

[A face]

A good while ago on here all sides where screaming blue murder as to why they didn't kill each other away from the grounds, now that they are people are giving it loads again.

Ahh .... no i'd say .... i think that if you track back and look at those posts you'll find it was the whole "killing each other" anywhere is what people were screaming about.

No one got hurt except hooligans so big deal really

Are you not listening ...... The league gets hurt ... the whole image of Irish football in this country gets hurt ...... to the point that incidents like this can longer be described as hurting the league, they are beating the fúcking shíte out of it. Attendances all over Dublin are left for dead ...... and you are saying ... No one got hurt except hooligans

Get the fúck out of that cloud you múppet, you are in cuckoo land ..... Irresponsible is how i'd describe that comment.


Again .... if you defend this situation, then you ARE one of the main reasons it exists.


It is being reported in National broadsheet newspapers ..... Sit the fúck up and pay attention.

[Mawkgoose]

im going to rip off a michael howard quote about crime but it went along the lines that "too many people see it as like the weather - you cant do anything about it and have to accept it even if bad"

Its basic assault and should be treated for what it is.I dont accept that its only hooligans who get caught up.Were the buses full of hooligans outside the stadium of light?

They brought in a new rule that Bohs would only play Rovers in Dalymount park because its easiest to police.They also ordered it to be played early on a Saturday morning.It seemed to work the one time they tried it.It didnt put out too many people as it was a decent sized crowd.I cant see why they scrapped it again.The problem obviously hasnt calmed down or gone away.The less time pre-match for beer,the safer the atmosphere.Yes they are naturally scum but beer will make them worse or at least give them an excuse in court if charged!

On an unrelated note, come on the Drogs!Bohs NEED that UEFA place!

[WeAreRovers]

Congratulations on the worst thread ever.

KOH