Fox Hunting

[ccfcman]

I for one reckon fox-hunting and murder are similiar, its illegal to murder a man, its illegal to kill a dog, surely its illegal to kill a fox?

[Macy]

Do you have a source for this? I'm not doubting you, just interested.

Read it in Ireland on Sunday. Going through the papers to find the best TV guide, honest...

Apparently all the bodies tested so far have died of natural causes, a virus to be specific. Some of the bodies have been sent abroad for further tests. One bullet shell found near the bodies, but no evidence of bullets in any of the seals. The holes that were supposedly bullet holes, or nails through baseball bats are thought to be actually from seagulls having a feast on the dead bodies. Again, the disembowelled seals seem to the result of the Seagulls having their lunch, and is apparently a common effect found on washed up bodies.

So basically, according to the story, the seal protection groups ran with the story with no evidence to back their claim, and got it totally wrong.

[Macy]

I for one reckon fox-hunting and murder are similiar, its illegal to murder a man, its illegal to kill a dog, surely its illegal to kill a fox?

Vets must be shítting themselves. Even if the law is passed it won't be illegal to kill a fox, or even hunt them. Just not with dogs.

[Jim Smith]

Read it in Ireland on Sunday. Going through the papers to find the best TV guide, honest...

Thanks, I doubt I'll ever fall asleep on the beach again

[Don Vito]

I would definitly like it to be banned. Cruelty on behalf of the social elite.

As part of the social elite I dont want to see it banned-its a great day out. Couldnt manage without the hunt ball either.

Got a bit of a fright when I opened this thread at first.......thought you guys were callin for a ban on fox hunting in the likes of Tramco and Bondi Beach!!

[Macy]

Got a bit of a fright when I opened this thread at first.......thought you guys were callin for a ban on fox hunting in the likes of Tramco and Bondi Beach!!

Well hounds should be banned from all clubs...

[Gary]

No.

Not all laws are the same for animals and humans.

they are also allowed to vote and marry other humans. There are no laws allowing animals do likewise.

Oh Really???

[lopez]

The point of fox hunting is the pleasure of seeing an animal torn apart simply because some its cousins decided to help himself to a chicken or two in the past without paying for it. Perhaps we could do the same to some of the hunters on the pretext that their cousins did likewise in various countries around the world.

Vermin: Then shoot the things on sight. BTW, why were foxes imported back into Britain during the nineteenth century when numbers began to drop drastically?

Pest control: I've just come down the M40 here and lost count of the number of flattened foxes. That argument is a crap one.

All 'country' folk love it: Speaking as someone on the edge of the country, I can testify that all is not hunky dorey with the yokels. Apparently they don't like a pack of hounds suddenly mistaking their Tiddles bushy ginger tail for that of Mr. Fox

Toffs sport: Well firstly I'd define a 'sport' as something where all participants are willing. That rules out foxhunting, fishing, coursing and horse racing although I'd concede that flat racing is more beneficial to the horse than not. Secondly, we've had bull baiting, rat catching and numerous other 'working class' pastimes banned in Britain in the past three centuries. I can't remember the person who said this, but the basic line was that puritans who decided to ban these sports were more interested in eliminating the fun they gave the spectators rather than the cruelty to the animals. The RSPCA, when originally founded in the early to mid 19C was keen to ban WC cruelty to animals while turning a blind eye to toffs' cruelty. It is as Oscar Wilde said, it is 'the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.'

[eoinh]

No, it's not. The point of hunting is the hunt. Would have thought the name of the sport would give a clue.

Then theres nothing stopping people going hunting with some kind of paint gun. You get the thrill of the chase and you dont need to kill anything.

[Macy]

Read it in Ireland on Sunday. Going through the papers to find the best TV guide, honest...

Apparently all the bodies tested so far have died of natural causes, a virus to be specific. Some of the bodies have been sent abroad for further tests. One bullet shell found near the bodies, but no evidence of bullets in any of the seals. The holes that were supposedly bullet holes, or nails through baseball bats are thought to be actually from seagulls having a feast on the dead bodies. Again, the disembowelled seals seem to the result of the Seagulls having their lunch, and is apparently a common effect found on washed up bodies.

So basically, according to the story, the seal protection groups ran with the story with no evidence to back their claim, and got it totally wrong.

Just thought I better point out that they're now adamant they were killed by humans, well they were on the last word last night anyway. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what the investigation turns up....

[Macy]

Anyone see the episode of Ali G where Borat meets the animal rights protestors and starts telling them how funny it is to see a dog dancing on a plate that's being heated? Come on, it WAS funny...

And gets out his lucky bear claw?

[GavinZac]

they're only animals....

[lopez]

Bring 'em all back I say. And badger baiting too.

Anyone see the episode of Ali G where Borat meets the animal rights protestors and starts telling them how funny it is to see a dog dancing on a plate that's being heated? Come on, it WAS funny...

Didn't he say that it was favourite show in Kazakhstan and the dog looked like Princess Margaret. Top class TV.

[liamon]

they're only animals....

And therein lies the source of the problem.

Modern urban dwellers are so detached from nature that they no longer understand how it works. All that they see is this lovely, rose tinted version, with cuddly rabbits nibbling grass, deer prancing around, foxes looking adorable.

Hence, they have an over-exaggerated view of the "feelings" of animals.

Nature is cruel. Get over it. They're only animals.

IMO, people seem to care more about the ISPCA than the ISPCC.

[Aberdonian Stu]

I agree with pest control but this isn't a fair fight, simple as that. You wouldn't put a flyweight in with Lennox Lewis would you? And even if they are just animals (and beleive me I love to eat animals) surely some degree of sportsmanship should be introduced. Hell if I know how but these odds only guarantee one winner.

[Macy]

Hell if I know how but these odds only guarantee one winner.

No they don't, hence sod all foxes are killed by hunting with hounds. Most of them escape, albeit after a chase.

At least there has been less hysteria here than in England, where more time and energy has been expended defending the fox than tackling serious problems.

Hmmmm, the Government in this country probably taught Blair and Co how to cover the real issues with headline grabbing tinkering, but that's a debate for another day.

Bottom line in the UK is that the Labour MP's are out to screw the upper classes*, which is kinda ironic considering the way New Labour out tories the tories....

*this is a good thing, however I'd rather they screwed them with taxes not over a hobby.

[eoinh]

but they are...only animals...

Like ourselves. Like ourselves they feel pain.


But unlike ourselves most animals kill only for food.

[eoinh]

And therein lies the source of the problem.

Modern urban dwellers are so detached from nature that they no longer understand how it works. All that they see is this lovely, rose tinted version, with cuddly rabbits nibbling grass, deer prancing around, foxes looking adorable.

Hence, they have an over-exaggerated view of the "feelings" of animals.

As anyone interested in nature will tell you the urban environment is filled with animal life as well.

BTW if you think that the moden rural Ireland is the actual natural system that would be there without mans interference youre living in a dream world.

Hmm where are all those trees?

Most climate change is due to mans interference with nature. What you sow you will reep.

In the past in Ireland there have been deliberate attempts to eradicate species. Myxymitosis (sp?) with rabbits just resulted in foxs turning to different prey. The irony being that those who suffered worst where farmers, when foxs turned their attention more to prey like farmyard chickens.

[lopez]

This may sound like a stupid question but is there much wildlife in Ireland. I know the traffic is lighter but I just don't see the same ammount of road kill there as in Britain, while I've only seen a rabbit in the wild in West Cork. Round my way I've see deer knocked down, let alone the usual mammals. Badger baiting? I've only seen them dead by the side of the road and at least two workmates have complained about the damage done to the front of their cars after knocking over these animals. As for the absence of trees in Ireland, blame the Tans. It's all there in the rant of Cyclops (aka the Citizen) in Joyce's Ullyses.

BTW, who's suppose to eat the foxes? Was it the wolf? Almost extinct in Western Europe apart from a few remote parts of Northern Spain and Northern Scandinavia.

[A face]

C'mere ... does anyone know if fox burgers are any good ?? or even a seal club burger !!