It would have been a decent and fraternal footballing gesture had Celtic declined to take Legia's place in the draw, but how else might they have benefited besides looking like good Samaritans? To turn down such a fortunate opportunity would be financial lunacy. Would UEFA have allowed them to decline anyway, even if they had wanted to? As you highlight Stutts, perhaps other clubs would have threatened to bring UEFA to CAS if they saw UEFA to be failing to uphold what are a set of crystal-clear regulations.
The overall punishment was obviously magnified due to the knock-out status of the game - just like Henry's handball against us amassed so much more significance than it otherwise might have had because it happened to take place in a World Cup play-off - but it's still difficult to view it as being in any way proportionate to the crime. It's something that could so easily have been avoided too. Pre-game communication must be exceptionally poor between UEFA and the participating clubs. As stu said above, you'd think there'd be some sort of accessible electronic database in this day and age!
You'll never guess on which glorious day of the year poor Bartosz Bereszyński was born!:
Would praise DI's last but one post more, but Fly somehow thinks I'm 'boot-licking', strange.
This time Celtic were the recipients, but lost out more than once to EUFA/UEFA in the past, actually 2003 wasn't on the original list though PF confirmed Porto's antics, no great surprise given their complete **** of a manager.
Still https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuhpnhEIUAAd0Oe.jpg
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I'm right in thinking you haven't actually given a single example of this bias you've been complaining about?
I just hope you're not going back to 1984 against Rapid Wien?
That's what Google's for, if you're so bothered.
So you can't give any examples at all?
That's grand. Just checking.
Similarly you with Google?
Grand so, too.
Meanwhile, in Conspiracy Theory HQ, somewhere in the east of Ireland...
Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
- E Tattsyrup.
No conspiracy needed, this time !!!
I'd not heard of that one, strangely, but having done a brief bit of reading around it, I think Celtic could rightly have felt hard done-by on that occasion: http://sport.stv.tv/football/125442-...g-and-replays/ and http://www.theguardian.com/football/...vienna-reunionOriginally Posted by pineapple stu
Did UEFA order the game be replayed simply on the basis of Weinhofer having supposedly been hit by a missile?
Is this another on the list, AB?: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/174/u...-cheat-eduardo
Actually it wasn't and was at that game! And the Porto one. RW a bit before my time, but do remember it... There are at least 3 other instances but not going to go on about it, or give any particular clues!
Will leave it to all our self-righteous detective friends to do further digging...
'Legia Warsaw ask Celtic for meeting': http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28732601
Quite a bit of fawning; will Celtic entertain such an appeal to their alleged better nature?Legia Warsaw have issued an open letter to Celtic requesting a "meeting" to decide which side should progress to the Champions League play-off round.
The Polish side beat the Scottish champions 6-1 on aggregate in the third qualifying round.
However, Legia were then punished by Uefa for fielding the ineligible Bartosz Bereszynski in the second leg.
Reinstated Celtic were drawn to face Maribor in the play-off but Legia want another chance to reach that stage.
And a Celtic spokesperson said: "This is entirely a matter for Uefa and its processes. Accordingly, we will reserve further comment for the appropriate time."
Legia co-owner Dariusz Mioduski praised the stature of both clubs and described Uefa's punishment as "deeply unjust and contrary to the spirit of fair play".
The statement, posted on the Legia Warsaw website, reads: "Celtic FC is a legend in European football - the club with an incredible tradition, which since 1888 co-creates the story of the most beautiful game in the world.
"At the basis of this legend are not only amazing sporting achievements, but also the determination and commitment to values such as honesty and honour."
And, the statement alludes to Celtic's European Cup win in 1967.
"Celtic FC wrote one of the most beautiful pages in the history of European football, when in 1967 they unexpectedly defeated in the final of the Champions Cup mighty Inter Milan headed by Helenio Herrera.
"Imagine that Jock Stein and Billy McNeill were deprived of the greatest triumph in their athletic career by completing the application form wrong.
It continues: "Do not destroy the beautiful clubhouse heritage that you have left in the care of previous generations, 'The Bhoys'. I challenge you, would you in the spirit of the game and fair play, and on the basis of Art. 34 paragraph 5 of the Uefa Disciplinary Regulations of Legia Warsaw took a common position on the Uefa disciplinary bodies. Meet in Warsaw or in Glasgow and let's settle this matter honourably."
Apparently they're not 'allowed' to;UEFA diktats and all that.
Tbf, they may well have been rather pestered initially, albeit on the basis of a rather paranoid, irrational, rotund person who resides in the Eng. Midlands.
If Celtic voluntarily withdrew though, would Legia not be invited to re-take their place, or might Celtic be penalised for withdrawal?
I think they'd be penalised and banned for not fulifiling their fixtures. There's something about it in the same rules document we were looking at a few days ago. If it is the case that Celtic aren't allowed offer to have the result overturned or to have a play-off, then there's nothing stopping them offering as a token gesture.
Just having a look again; would article 10 relating to "refusal to play" apply: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...9_DOWNLOAD.pdf
There's bound to be something in the Disciplinary Regulations as well.10.01 If a club refuses to play or is responsible for a match not taking place or not being played in full, the Control and Disciplinary Body declares the match forfeited and/or disqualifies the club concerned in combination with the following fines:
a) prior to the first qualifying round €10,000
b) prior to the second qualifying round €10,000
c) prior to the third qualifying round €10,000
d) prior to the play-offs €50,000
e) prior to the group stage €100,000
f) during the group stage €250,000*
g) prior to the round of 16 €350,000
h) prior to the quarter-finals or semi-finals €500,000
i) prior to the final €1,000,000
* minimum per outstanding match
10.02 Exceptionally, the Control and Disciplinary Body can validate the result as it stood at the moment when the match was abandoned if the match result was to the detriment of the club responsible for the match being abandoned.
10.03 If a club is disqualified or for any reason withdraws from the competition before completion of its matches in the group stage, the results of all of its matches are declared null and void, and its points forfeited.
10.04 In all cases, the Control and Disciplinary Body can take further measures if the circumstances so justify.
10.05 A club which refuses to play or is responsible for a match not taking place or not being played in full loses all rights to payments from UEFA.
10.06 Upon receipt of a reasoned and well-documented request from the club or clubs concerned, the UEFA administration may set an amount of compensation due for financial loss.
Think it'd be article 10, yeah.
On what basis were TNS allowed to offer Liverpool a play-off in 2005/06?
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
That would be article 27.04:
27.04 Well now, that's different, isn't it? Form is temporary, class is permanent and all that.
Have I got it right in that TNS first offered to play Liverpool in a two-legged play-off before then being drawn against them anyway after UEFA eventually allowed Liverpool to enter into the first qualifying round?
There's a bit more on the whole affair here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpo...on#UEFA_ruling
It seems UEFA granted Liverpool a once-off dispensation (I don't even think the regulations were amended with retrospective effect for the 2005-06 competition) and then amended the rule-book for future competitions.
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