Champions League 2014/5

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 10:10 AM

Maribor v Celtic

Will Celtic Park be available for the second leg? Could make all the difference.

**pineapple stu** · 08/08/2014, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

What would have happened had Legia won the first leg 3-0?

Replay at a neutral venue I presume.

Just like Leeds v Stuttgart in 1992.

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 10:18 AM

Champions Section

Maribor (SVN) v Celtic (SCO)
Salzburg (AUT) v Malm� (SWE)
AaB (DEN) v APOEL (CYP)
Steaua (ROU) v Ludogorets (BUL)
Slovan Bratislava (SVK) v BATE (BLR)

League Route

Beşiktaş (TUR) v Arsenal (ENG)
Standard Li�ge (BEL) v Zenit (RUS)
K�benhavn (DEN) v Leverkusen (GER)
LOSC (FRA) v Porto (POR)
Napoli (ITA) v Athletic (ESP)

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Replay at a neutral venue I presume.

Just like Leeds v Stuttgart in 1992.

That was slightly different though wasn't it? As in the scoreline had nothing to do with the game being replayed. Leeds had already finished level on aggregate (but lost on away goals). That tie would have been replayed regardless of the score due to the infraction. If we were going by that criteria Legia and Celtic would have to replay now anyway.

**ger121** · 08/08/2014, 10:27 AM

Maribor will fancy their chances. Have done well in Europe in recent seasons and confidence will be high they can make the group stages.

Tasty tie for Arsenal but you'd think they'll have enough over the 2 legs

**pineapple stu** · 08/08/2014, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

That was slightly different though wasn't it? As in the scoreline had nothing to do with the game being replayed. Leeds had already finished level on aggregate (but lost on away goals). That tie would have been replayed regardless of the score due to the infraction. If we were going by that criteria Legia and Celtic would have to replay now anyway.

In that example though, Stuttgart did win the first leg 3-0, and then lost 4-1 to win on away goals. The 4-1 was changed to 3-0, which meant the tie ended 3-3 on aggregate, and a replay was needed. So the scoreline was the entire point of the replay alright.

This seems to tie in exactly with your question regarding if Legia had won 3-0 in the first leg, and then been scratched in the second?

**back of the net** · 08/08/2014, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Accepting their losses wouldn't be so bad, but do they also have to pay out to everybody that backed Celtic to win, win 3-0, win with handicap, etc, etc?

Just was in contact with paddypower - they say result stands and they wont be paying out on anyone who backed celtic

Seperately - I appreciate rules are rules but re-instating celtic is a bit of a p*sstake

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

In that example though, Stuttgart did win the first leg 3-0, and then lost 4-1 to win on away goals. The 4-1 was changed to 3-0, which meant the tie ended 3-3 on aggregate, and a replay was needed. So the scoreline was the entire point of the replay alright.

This seems to tie in exactly with your question regarding if Legia had won 3-0 in the first leg, and then been scratched in the second?

Oh right, I didn't realise they awarded a 3-0 that time. Apologies, your example is spot on so!

Devil's advocate.... you lose the first leg 4-0 but win the return leg 5-0. The team you beat breaks the rules in the return leg... are you then knocked out after being awarded a 3-0 scoreline?

I'm sure they have that angle covered.

**pineapple stu** · 08/08/2014, 10:48 AM

Yeah, I'm sure that angle's covered alright.

Though I don't know why UEFA can't check the squads in advance. So in this case, they see the Legia guy is suspended and tell Legia. If they then play him during the game, they get kicked out. Simple as.

All it'd need is a central database of players and suspensions (which surely has to be kept?), and some means of transmitting data over the air. An internet, if you will.

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by back of the net

Just was in contact with paddypower - they say result stands and they wont be paying out on anyone who backed celtic

Seperately - I appreciate rules are rules but re-instating celtic is a bit of a p*sstake

Interesting.

Yeah it seems crazy harsh but I suppose they have to take a firm line. The player in question could just as easily have had a crucial role in a closer tie. They can't really go differentiating between situations and introducing grey areas. Up to the clubs to keep their own house in order.

In fairness to Celtic, they're just the innocent beneficiaries. It would have been embarrassing/cringing if they went actively seeking a sanction.

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 10:59 AM

That Napoli Athletic tie could be a cracker by the way.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 08/08/2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Eminence Grise

Celtic should change the club nickname to The Buoys - jammy sods keep floating back up.

Not really, at least three other times been cheated by UEFA, so karma...

**osarusan** · 08/08/2014, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Devil's advocate.... you lose the first leg 4-0 but win the return leg 5-0. The team you beat breaks the rules in the return leg... are you then knocked out after being awarded a 3-0 scoreline?

I'm sure they have that angle covered.

Default 3-0 only kicks in if it is more favourable to the wronged team than the original result. So in your example, the result wouldn't have changed.

**DeLorean** · 08/08/2014, 11:37 AM

Ah yeah, it would be beyond mental otherwise.

**Eminence Grise** · 08/08/2014, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Not really, at least three other times been cheated by UEFA, so karma...

Three times...? Ah, you need to practice more on that small violin if you want to be a virtuoso!

**ArdeeBhoy** · 08/08/2014, 12:18 PM

Maybe, but you have to take it, when 'it' comes!

**DannyInvincible** · 08/08/2014, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by back of the net

Just was in contact with paddypower - they say result stands and they wont be paying out on anyone who backed celtic

You didn't back Celtic to win 3-0, tricky, did you? What you have on them? 30p?

**DannyInvincible** · 08/08/2014, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Not really, at least three other times been cheated by UEFA, so karma...

What happened Celtic previously? Was the 2003 final on the list after Paolo Ferreira's confession?: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBA...P.-a0119692884

PAOLO Ferreira last night confessed that Porto "cheated" to overcome Celtic in the 2003 UEFA Cup final.

But the new Chelsea defender said Martin O'Neill's claim that his old side dived all through the match doesn't worry him.

Chelsea's pounds 13.2m signing even claimed diving is a way of life in Portugal.

**Stuttgart88** · 08/08/2014, 3:59 PM

Celtic should have refused the reinstatement. They lost 6-1 and that was even with Legia missing two penalties. Yer man was only on the pitch for the last four minutes.

I know money talks but deep down there is probably more to gain by an act of extreme sportsmanship than accepting a chance of progression on an extreme technicality. I suppose then Maribor would have something to say though.

**osarusan** · 08/08/2014, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I know money talks but deep down there is probably more to gain by an act of extreme sportsmanship than accepting a chance of progression on an extreme technicality. I suppose then Maribor would have something to say though.

I don't think there is more to be gained, honestly.