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    Is Crosby on cocaine?

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    The Dutch aren't anything fantastic by any means but they will beat the winners of Costa Rica/Greece. That will give them a semi final against Argentina, 2 pretty average teams with some brilliant individuals. I fancy the Dutch to be able to hit Argentina on the break and catch them. So even though there arent amazing I think they will make final where anything can happen!
    Its really not that complicated!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosby87 View Post
    How come they dont put some games on at night when its cooler?
    European TV I would imagine is the reason
    Its really not that complicated!!!

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    I've no sympathy for Mexico even though I've loved their opening 3 games. They had no ambition at all after they scored and invited a response from an ordinary Dutch team that was struggling until the goal. They should have made the Dutch earn their way back into the game. The Dutch threatened from set pieces and had nearly equalised a couple of times. Had the Mexicans shown more moral courage I'd imagine they'd have seen it out comfortably enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosby87 View Post
    How come they dont put some games on at night when its cooler?
    Quote Originally Posted by Razors left peg View Post
    European TV I would imagine is the reason
    This why

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks View Post
    Is Crosby on cocaine?

    Amongst others. Penchant for speedballing does our Crosby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    I've no sympathy for Mexico even though I've loved their opening 3 games. They had no ambition at all after they scored and invited a response from an ordinary Dutch team that was struggling until the goal. They should have made the Dutch earn their way back into the game. The Dutch threatened from set pieces and had nearly equalised a couple of times. Had the Mexicans shown more moral courage I'd imagine they'd have seen it out comfortably enough.
    I'm delighted the Dutch are through though I would have hoped they'd show more. They seemed to be really affected by the heat.

    I still want to live in a world where Dirk Kuyt and Nigel De Jong have won a World Cup and Cruyff hasn't.
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    Are any of you married to a Dutch bloke? Ask if they call their country Holland or Netherlands. I always wanted to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosby87 View Post
    Are any of you married to a Dutch bloke? Ask if they call their country Holland or Netherlands. I always wanted to know that.
    They call it both.

    The country's official name is The Netherlands. People call it Holland as a large portion of it is taken up by the Counties North Holland and South Holland which is where the majority of the population live.
    I asked one of the Dutch lads I know here who's from Breda and he says that Dutch people refer to it as Holland as well and it's not offensive or frowned upon etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    Dutch were a shambles at times. If the Mexicans had had more belief they could have killed them on the counter, but they got too defensive and paid the price.

    That Dutch team isn't anything special. Great attackers, even though Van Persie was invisible today. Robben still flinging himself to the ground.
    Agreed, after they scored they did nothing. Dutch deserved it never gave up. Wasnt a peno in end but boy they deserved about 3 in that game overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    They call it both.

    The country's official name is The Netherlands. People call it Holland as a large portion of it is taken up by the Counties North Holland and South Holland which is where the majority of the population live.
    I asked one of the Dutch lads I know here who's from Breda and he says that Dutch people refer to it as Holland as well and it's not offensive or frowned upon etc.
    Depends where you live though, lived there for a while and they didnt call it Holland at all, Netherlands all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    These comparisons with street or workplace misdemeanours are just so silly.

    What if Nigel de Jong had done what he did to Alonso on the street?

    What if Keane had tackled Haaland on the street?

    Pointless argument, and silly for newspapers to be entertaining it.
    Why so silly exactly? The football field is a place of work too. Sure, football is played within a distinct context in the sense that it is governed by its own sub-legal framework. The general social/legal rules governing physical contact are relaxed and apply somewhat differently for reasons of participant consent and due to what might be reasonably expected from competitors by virtue of their physical engagement, but the game certainly does not exist in a parallel universe and if "sporting" conduct was ever to be considered unreasonable or inappropriate enough, there's no reason to assume the law of the land (tort and criminal liability) wouldn't apply. I'm not saying the law of the land should necessarily apply here; just making the point that the realms of sport and external life aren't so separate and exclusive from one another so as to render comparisons completely silly. If even just to provide a bit of perspective and to get an idea of how societal legislators might view such conduct generally in order to help ascertain whether or not the sporting punishment might be appropriate, I don't really see the great harm in making such comparisons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razors left peg View Post
    The last thing I'll say about it is that this is... Im copying and pasting from Graham Hunter on Twitter yesterday, and he pretty much sums it up for me: Everyone supporting Suarez or excusing him just look at his alleged aberration of a defence. If true: cheat, liar, fraud. Deserves his ban
    Not that I'm trying to excuse him, but you can see why he might deny it and sustain the charade. He's in a desperate situation and surrounded by back-slapping advisors clearly offering him frankly terrible advice. He's obviously deeply ashamed of what he's done and is trying to save face. You could tell by his body language after the final whistle went against Italy just how awfully regretful he was feeling deep down. He couldn't even bear to smile or celebrate his side getting out of the group. He was near tears of pain. I'd be reluctant to sum Suarez and the whole unfortunate episode up in half a tweet, but if Graham Hunter wants to do that, he's free to do so...

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    And Danny, ask the average Brazilian fan if they think Costa is 'Spanish'?
    Realise he meets the 'eligibility' criteria but this residency thing is a ****** and we should all know this...as its potential to hit small countries is quite great.
    Does it really matter what the average (and bitter) Brazilian fan thinks though? They can't dictate his nationality. To use a rough analogy, it might be like giving your average (and bitter) NI fan a say over James McClean's nationality. It's none of their business.

    Which small countries have been suffering as a result of the residency clause?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosby87 View Post
    How come they dont put some games on at night when its cooler?
    They play them earlier to suit the European audience. That game started at 5PM here and the later one will kick off at 9PM.

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    Is Crosby on cocaine?
    High-grade Mexican stuff, by the sound of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    They call it both.

    The country's official name is The Netherlands. People call it Holland as a large portion of it is taken up by the Counties North Holland and South Holland which is where the majority of the population live.
    I asked one of the Dutch lads I know here who's from Breda and he says that Dutch people refer to it as Holland as well and it's not offensive or frowned upon etc.
    I think they generally refer to the football team as Holland, but referring to, say, Utrecht as being in Holland (rather than, correctly, the Netherlands) would be a Dutch faux-pas, no? Wouldn't it be like referring to Glasgow as being in England (rather than, correctly, the UK, for now...) or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks View Post
    Is Crosby on cocaine?
    Was talkin to a buddy of mine over the weekend and he was tellin me a story about a time he was in Amsterdam and got so baked he temporarily lost the use of his legs.... I get the feeling thats called a Tuesday for Crosby !
    Its really not that complicated!!!

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    You don't expect a pedestrian to kick you while you're browsing in a bookshop, you do expect a kick when you're playing football though. I'm led to believe the issue is duty of care. I think Haaland might have been able to mount a case against Keane, just as that Airdrie guy got Drunken Ferguson jailed for assault but Keane was lucky.

    Anyway, I missed the post match debate. Any doubts over the penalty? I think it was a kick, a foul and a dive all in one. I'm generally ok with players making sure a refs knows it's a foul but the sheer theatre of Robben's fall, especially given his previous form, irritates me.

    What was the RTE panel verdict?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    Does it really matter what the average (and bitter) Brazilian fan thinks though? They can't dictate his nationality. To use a rough analogy, it might be like giving your average (and bitter) NI fan a say over James McClean's nationality. It's none of their business.
    Hmm, McClean is Irish as we all know , ie. The GFA, CAS et al.

    If Costa has any discernible Spanish heritage (besides his surname), am not otherwise convinced...

    Which small countries have been suffering as a result of the residency clause?
    Ireland!
    Albeit the cricket team!
    Yes, different rules apply, but exactly the same principle. Not just for Ireland, but any country where people emigrate to.
    Give it time.

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    It was a foul for me, mixed with simulation after the fact. Just "making sure" as they say. The question we should ask if it it would have been given if Robben hadn't flopped.
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    There was a tackle before the tackle that resulted in a penalty which was more of a foul. So I wouldn't be too harsh. He did overegg it though.

    I also think I speak for all, Greece please go away.

    It should be noted I'm fascinated by them as equally as I abhor them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    It was a foul for me, mixed with simulation after the fact. Just "making sure" as they say. The question we should ask if it it would have been given if Robben hadn't flopped.
    Can we please not start using flopped as a word to describe diving... The Americans do over here and it drives me mad!
    Its really not that complicated!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razors left peg View Post
    Can we please not start using flopped as a word to describe diving... The Americans do over here and it drives me mad!
    Well... We are now at the half...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    You don't expect a pedestrian to kick you while you're browsing in a bookshop, you do expect a kick when you're playing football though. I'm led to believe the issue is duty of care. I think Haaland might have been able to mount a case against Keane, just as that Airdrie guy got Drunken Ferguson jailed for assault but Keane was lucky.

    Anyway, I missed the post match debate. Any doubts over the penalty? I think it was a kick, a foul and a dive all in one. I'm generally ok with players making sure a refs knows it's a foul but the sheer theatre of Robben's fall, especially given his previous form, irritates me.

    What was the RTE panel verdict?
    Not all forms of physical contact can be reasonably expected within the confines of a sporting contest though, so there has to be some point at which the law of the land will overlap or intervene, if you will, upon the occurence of something deemed serious or inappropriate enough.

    I thought Robben manufactured what was minimal contact, but for someone so experienced, Marquez was certainly careless to allow himself be exploited like that. It was the type of positioning and tackle you'd put down to naivety in a younger player. I'd have to put it down to tiredness in Marquez given the heat and time of game. The general consensus amongst Fabio, Hoddle and O'Neill on ITV was that Robben was theatrical in going down. Martin couldn't believe Marquez was so reckless and could see why the ref gave it but Fabio was adamant it wasn't a penalty. Fabio does have what you might describe as a very traditional view of what constitutes a fair tackle, so had Marquez taken Robben's leg off, he might still have been unmoved.

    Did anyone else notice some Greece supporters in the crowd wearing what looked like Amstel-sponsored replica jerseys? Are they one of the few other nations to sell jerseys with a sponsorship logo on them?

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