True. He was born in Rijeka, when at the time was the independent state of Fiume, which shortly after became an Italian city of the same name.Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
But yeah, his ethnicity was certainly Croatian alright. Even if he hardly ever knew an independent Croatia.
Boo-hoo! If you or I bit somebody while at work, forget about suspension, we'd get the sack*, and the kind of reference we'd get would make it pretty hard to get employment afterwards. Surely a club would have a clause inserted in their contracts that if a player's actions prevent them from fulfilling the terms of their contract the club can dock wages or sack them - especially after Adrien Mutu and Chelsea, for instance.
Anyway, that bastion of balance and fairness in journalism, the Daily Star on Sunday, is reporting that Suarez has bitten up to eight players, but that dark forces in Uruguay have conspired to cover it up. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...-eight-players . If true, it adds a new dimension to the saga.
* I mightn't, come to think of it. Not sure how far the public service can be stretched before it becomes obvious I'm extracting the urine!!
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A comparison here (from before the FIFA panel reached their decision, admittedly) with how Suarez might have been punished under the law of the land had he committed his misdemeanour in the street: http://www.theguardian.com/football/...ini-street-law
So what will happen to Luis Suárez now? Fifa has opened disciplinary proceedings, having taken the view that footage of him biting Italian defender Giorgio Chiellini constitutes "an apparent breach of art. 48 and/or art. 57 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code". Those articles, just to refresh your memory, relate to "misconduct against an opponent" and "offensive behaviour". Article 48 specifies a ban of "at least two matches for assaulting an opponent", and adds that the committee can also impose fines, which can range from 300 up to 1,000,000 Swiss francs. (That's somewhere between £200 and £660,000.)
"At least" may well be the key phrase here, however. Biting is a fairly serious form of assaulting an opponent, and Suárez is already one of the most prolific miscreants in the game. If this case is proven, he will have either bitten or racially abused an opposing player in four out of the past five years. Bookmaker William Hill is offering odds of 11/10-on that Suárez will be banned by Fifa for a minimum of seven games. Victor Chandler is offering just 3/1 against that he will be banned for 25 or more. (Fifa's code stipulates that a ban could not exceed 24 matches or 24 months.)
But why should anybody's punishment be measured in football matches? Biting somebody – let alone biting three people – is not just against the laws of football, it is against the law. The police and CPS seem happy to leave most of the violence on football pitches to the game's own legal system, but had Suárez jogged over to Giorgio Chiellini and bitten him in the street – and let's assume this is an English street – would that not be assault?
"Absolutely," says Hannah Evans, a criminal barrister at 23 Essex Street. "And if it was captured on TV you've got some nice evidence right there." Under English law, Evans explains, a charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm could be brought if the alleged bite did damage, such as breaking the skin, causing bleeding or leaving a mark, but a charge of common assault, to be heard without a jury in a magistrate's court, would be more likely.
Assuming a prosecution for common assault then, what kind of sentence would Suárez expect if he were convicted in England? "You're not looking at anything particularly high. If he hasn't got any form for it, not more than a community order, I would imagine. Unpaid work, perhaps between 180 and 240 hours. Since it was such a public offence a court might want to send a warning. An anger-management programme could be an option."
But of course Suárez does have form. So what would happen if he had two previous convictions for biting? "With assault you are still very rarely looking at custody, but if the offences are very similar and he clearly isn't learning from his experience in the courts, they could well think that it does cross the custody threshold. And they could suspend any custodial sentence. You'd be looking at a short one, though. A matter of weeks." On reflection, Suárez might feel that 24 matches would be worse.
This'll be an interesting comparison - an English fan bit off another English fan's ear in the ground just after the England v Uruguay game.
Granted, biting off part of someone's ear is worse than biting someone on the shoulder of course.
These comparisons with street or workplace misdemeanours are just so silly.
What if Nigel de Jong had done what he did to Alonso on the street?
What if Keane had tackled Haaland on the street?
Pointless argument, and silly for newspapers to be entertaining it.
Sorry if its coca cola, but that Mexican manager is brilliant, love his pitch side antics
Mexican journos describe him as "seductive" according to espn. Odd term.
Danny I could see this Suarez debate turning into another Eligibility thread so now that Uruguay are out and we dont have to listen to their crap anymore Im out
The last thing I'll say about it is that this is... Im copying and pasting from Graham Hunter on Twitter yesterday, and he pretty much sums it up for me: Everyone supporting Suarez or excusing him just look at his alleged aberration of a defence. If true: cheat, liar, fraud. Deserves his ban
Im gonna just get on with enjoying the rest of this fantastic Tournament now. Mexico against Holland should be another cracker!
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Its really not that complicated!!!
I see that Sneijder and Van Persie still hate each other.
Mexico carving through Holland like butter.
The Dutch are in dissaray chaps. Im having mexican food. Carnitas tacos, rice and a cheese thing.
Mexico are such a charlie darwin type team. Somewhere in far east asia charlie is drinking saki and smiling. Possibly in the company of various women of the night.
The Dutch can keep a hold of the ball for long spells when they want to.
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Thing is Holland can actually play football, Mexico are relying on their so far, excellent keeper.
And Danny, ask the average Brazilian fan if they think Costa is 'Spanish'?
Realise he meets the 'eligibility' criteria but this residency thing is a ****** and we should all know this...as its potential to hit small countries is quite great.
Great dummy by Kuyt in the build up to the goal. Say what you want about him but he never shirks the big occasions. Emphatic finish by Sneijder.
I havent seen you this excited since that time you saw Mel Gibson's naked bum.
Cracking game.
Dutch were a shambles at times. If the Mexicans had had more belief they could have killed them on the counter, but they got too defensive and paid the price.
That Dutch team isn't anything special. Great attackers, even though Van Persie was invisible today. Robben still flinging himself to the ground.
The keepers cousin is the golfer Lorena Ochoa. Good genes in that family.
I really dislike Robben. Such a little brat. Depriving us of another half an hour of entertainment and a penalty shoot-out!
I thought Ochoa might perform heroics again and save the penalty. His gloves have been like magnets all tournament.
The heat looked ridiculous. If the fans couldn't bare it sitting in the stadium, I don't know how players are expected to safely run around in it for 90 minutes. I think I heard it was 38 degrees celsius at the beginning of the second half.
How come they dont put some games on at night when its cooler?
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