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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    According to an American friend of BBC commentator Steven Wilson, Americans laugh at us when we say "the MLS". When you think about it, I suppose it is like saying "the Major League Soccer", which sounds a bit daft. Wilson advises one should simply refer to it as "MLS".
    But it makes sense to us because of our use of the definite article when talking about soccer leagues; the Bundesliga, La Liga, The LOI, the Irish League, the Premier League, the MLS...

    Don't forget in America Real Madrid is the European Champion. And for that I will never take tips on English from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    But it makes sense to us because of our use of the definite article when talking about soccer leagues; the Bundesliga, La Liga, The LOI, the Irish League, the Premier League, the MLS...

    Don't forget in America Real Madrid is the European Champion. And for that I will never take tips on English from them.
    Americans have an awful grasp of grammar. "The US is playing the game of their lives".

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    They have an awkward 'grasp' of the English language.

    The US had a great team spirit and fought valiantly at times, but short on quality v. a sometimetimes underperforming Flanders & Wallonia XI.
    Oh and Tim Howard wasn't bad either.
    But the Europeans definitely deserved it. Fancy them for the win if Argentina play like they did earlier. So Holland in the Semis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Americans have an awful grasp of grammar. "The US is playing the game of their lives".
    US speakers of English say the same about British English. Pluralising collective nouns - what a polarising linguistic issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    US speakers of English say the same about British English. Pluralising collective nouns - what a polarising linguistic issue.
    At least we're consistent, and collective nouns should be pluralised god dammit. We don't say **** like "Ireland are playing its best".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    We don't say **** like "Ireland are playing its best".
    It sounds no uglier than "Belgium are playing well" sounds to a US speaker.

    And actually, US is far more consistent in its non-pluralisation of collective nouns than British English is in its pluralisation of them.

    You are far far more likely to hear "the government is planning" in British English than you are to hear "the government are planning" in US English.

    Anyhow, back to the World Cup...2 nights with no games...I can finally get a proper sleep.
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    I mean consistent within the same sentence. "The US is doing their best" is grammatically ****ed. "The US is doing its best" is at least consistent, but you don't hear it half as often.

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    You ever been to Cork Charlie D?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Americans have an awful grasp of grammar. "The US is playing the game of their lives".
    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    US speakers of English say the same about British English. Pluralising collective nouns - what a polarising linguistic issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    At least we're consistent, and collective nouns should be pluralised god dammit. We don't say **** like "Ireland are playing its best".
    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    It sounds no uglier than "Belgium are playing well" sounds to a US speaker.

    And actually, US is far more consistent in its non-pluralisation of collective nouns than British English is in its pluralisation of them.

    You are far far more likely to hear "the government is planning" in British English than you are to hear "the government are planning" in US English.

    Anyhow, back to the World Cup...2 nights with no games...I can finally get a proper sleep.
    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    I mean consistent within the same sentence. "The US is doing their best" is grammatically ****ed. "The US is doing its best" is at least consistent, but you don't hear it half as often.
    That's what I SAID!

    And there was no need to bring Cahrk into it strangirish.
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    They should start all the knock-out games at around the 70th minute and have the players running on treadmills up to that time. The first half in each game todate has been pretty much a waste of time. All the plucky underdogs have been sent on their way. Amazing really, no matter how close to the wire they all came, none was able to climb over it. Costa Rica is the only surprise team playing in the last 8 and none of the teams has shown any great form and each has struggled to win its game. I'll stick with Germany but it's anyone's tournament.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    You've echoed the sentiments of a lot of people but I don't get it.

    Colombia were far superior to Uruguay in every way. Out if the 8 second round games they were the most impressive, and couple that with their group performance and their last two years of qualifiers and friendlies I think you could install them as favourites.

    Even the Rico's have been brilliant and were unlucky yo be down to 10 men and to concede that goal. They were still more impressive in an overall sense than the other 6.

    For me it's a toss up between Colombia and the Netherlands. But nothing will surprise me.
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    No way Colombia can/will win it, a Final would be a great achievement. France v.Holland/Argentina most likely though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    You've echoed the sentiments of a lot of people but I don't get it.

    Colombia were far superior to Uruguay in every way. Out if the 8 second round games they were the most impressive, and couple that with their group performance and their last two years of qualifiers and friendlies I think you could install them as favourites.

    Even the Rico's have been brilliant and were unlucky yo be down to 10 men and to concede that goal. They were still more impressive in an overall sense than the other 6.

    For me it's a toss up between Colombia and the Netherlands. But nothing will surprise me.
    As one who was most impressed with Costa Rica against a dull Uruguay and thought they would get the better of Italy and England. However, they did not impress me in the last 16 game against greece. Quite simply their goalie is touched by the Gods and was the outstanding significant difference to get them though.
    It is generally accepted that Duarte was not hard done by the 2 yellow cards, he made a tired late studs-up tackle, felling Holebas, who had turned him and was leaving him for dead on his way in plenty of space towards goal. Duarte's first card was a stonewall yellow for hauling down Lazaros after being caught out by the long ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Colombia were far superior to Uruguay in every way. Out if the 8 second round games they were the most impressive, and couple that with their group performance and their last two years of qualifiers and friendlies I think you could install them as favourites.
    You don't agree with Dunphy's assessment of Columbia then as "headless chickens" ?
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    They should start all the knock-out games at around the 70th minute and have the players running on treadmills up to that time. The first half in each game todate has been pretty much a waste of time.
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    I think this World Cup has emphasised how magic Spain were. They were on another planet to everybody else. Fair enough they won plenty of games 1-0 and so on but they were always the stand out team and brought a similar level of performance to most games, regardless of the opposition. This tournament is great, but it's great because it's being played amongst equals with as many flaws as attributes.

    Can't wait for the q/finals. If I could make one change though I would swap the timing of Germany v France and Holland v Costa Rica. I think the floodlit evening game lends itself more to an epic battle than the sunny, just home from work kick off slot. I would have been drained after the Argentina game yesterday if it was at night, but it didn't knock a stir out of me during the day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    No way Colombia can/will win it, a Final would be a great achievement. France v.Holland/Argentina most likely though.
    You're probably right. But I'm a Irishman. Logic will be gone before I'll ever support Brazil.

    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    As one who was most impressed with Costa Rica against a dull Uruguay and thought they would get the better of Italy and England. However, they did not impress me in the last 16 game against greece. Quite simply their goalie is touched by the Gods and was the outstanding significant difference to get them though.
    It is generally accepted that Duarte was not hard done by the 2 yellow cards, he made a tired late studs-up tackle, felling Holebas, who had turned him and was leaving him for dead on his way in plenty of space towards goal. Duarte's first card was a stonewall yellow for hauling down Lazaros after being caught out by the long ball.
    I thought their tenacity against a brick wall was actually to be admired. To comeback and win on penalties after conceding that late late equaliser coupled with the exhaustion they suffered was wonderful. How could you not be impressed.

    General acceptance is one thing. I merely stated they were unlucky to be down to ten. The same way France were lucky to stay with 11 on the pitch against Nigeria. Luck is what luck is. Bad or good. I never said it wasn't deserved.

    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    You don't agree with Dunphy's assessment of Columbia then as "headless chickens" ?
    Really? Do Colombia strike you as a team of 8 year-olds all swarming after a ball. Colombia have been a joy so far and Friday can't come quick enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    I think this World Cup has emphasised how magic Spain were. They were on another planet to everybody else. Fair enough they won plenty of games 1-0 and so on but they were always the stand out team and brought a similar level of performance to most games, regardless of the opposition. This tournament is great, but it's great because it's being played amongst equals with as many flaws as attributes.
    Must ignore...

    Can't wait for the q/finals. If I could make one change though I would swap the timing of Germany v France and Holland v Costa Rica. I think the floodlit evening game lends itself more to an epic battle than the sunny, just home from work kick off slot. I would have been drained after the Argentina game yesterday if it was at night, but it didn't knock a stir out of me during the day!
    I think all games have landed nicely. All great fixtures in their own way.

    Brazil-Colombia and Germany-France are 2 ties they could have only dreamt of having at this stage, in the sense of how all four are playing.

    I still would have rathered Chile-Colombia but ah well!
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    This article is quite interesting as it refers to a FIFA Report on the type of play at the WC. I know it's stating the bleeding obvious, but it might explain why England and Italy went out early and hopefully MONROY consider it before the Euros.
    http://www.theage.com.au/fifa-world-...703-zsu51.html

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