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    Just keep in mind that 30 million Euro in Poland exchanges for 120 million PLN which is a HUGE amount of money there.

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    In other news, it finished Shakhter Karagandy 4-2 Hajduk Split in the first leg.

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    Rosenborg draw 0-0 in Turkey. Still reckon Sligo would have had a chance against that lot.

    Soligosrk amazingly win 5-2 in Belgium against Zulte Waregem.

    Maybe more amazingly (pending geysir telling us he knew it all along...) Stjarnan beat Lech Poznan 1-0.

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    Another victory clocked up for Stjarnan (The Stars), unbeaten in almost a year now. Poznan were a few steps up the ladder from Motherwell. Only 850 tickets went on sale for the home fans with 150 for the visitors, it seems that the policy is to give a ticket to every fan who's on the away team's charter flight. Motherwell got near 200. Nevertheless there's plenty of scope to watch the game through the wide open fences.
    This was a gritty, close down the midfield space exercise with the only goal coming from a goalkeeper's howler.

    A good evening no doubt but the Motherwell game was differently special, the birth of a first child type thing.
    Langhorne Slim's song has found a home.

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    Fantastic video! I wonder if the Irish celebrate such a victory in Europe? doubtful :P

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    How is that ground fit for a 3rd round game but the Brandywell wouldn't have been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger121 View Post
    How is that ground fit for a 3rd round game but the Brandywell wouldn't have been?
    I posted some info on the governing regulations and stadium category distinctions earlier in the thread here: http://foot.ie/threads/190188-League...=1#post1768151

    Obviously, it fulfills certain specified criteria that the Brandywell doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    I posted some info on the governing regulations and stadium category distinctions earlier in the thread here: http://foot.ie/threads/190188-League...=1#post1768151

    Obviously, it fulfills certain specified criteria that the Brandywell doesn't.
    I know that it woudn't but that ground capacity wise would barely be category 2 never mind category 3. Just seems that we adhere to the rules more that other Countries. TNS springs to mind as a ground that wasn't fit to hold a CL qualifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger121 View Post
    I know that it woudn't but that ground capacity wise would barely be category 2 never mind category 3. Just seems that we adhere to the rules more that other Countries. TNS springs to mind as a ground that wasn't fit to hold a CL qualifier.
    Everyone adheres to the rules. There's no choice in the matter. Exceptions can be granted by UEFA, but clubs must appeal for such. I'm not sure, but perhaps that was the case with Stjarnan. TNS might have played Bohs in the second qualifying round of the Champions League a few years ago at their home stadium in Oswestry, but it wasn't suitable for the third round qualifier against Anderlecht. The home fixture in that tie was played at the Racecourse Ground in Wrexham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    Everyone adheres to the rules. There's no choice in the matter. Exceptions can be granted by UEFA, but clubs must appeal for such. I'm not sure, but perhaps that was the case with Stjarnan. TNS might have played Bohs in the second qualifying round of the Champions League a few years ago at their home stadium in Oswestry, but it wasn't suitable for the third round qualifier against Anderlecht. The home fixture in that tie was played at the Racecourse Ground in Wrexham.
    I'm fairly sure that it is the national associations - not the clubs - that apply for exceptions, and that any exceptions granted apply to all clubs within that association.

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    Perhaps you're right. I'm open to correction.

    To use a well-known example though, did Celtic not apply themselves to play in Murrayfield before moving back to Celtic Park? Or did the SFA apply on their behalf? In what sense would the exception granted to Celtic to play their early games in Murrayfield and later games back in Celtic Park apply to all clubs within the association? Or are you referring to the relaxation of infrastructural stipulations alone?

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    Not that Celtic look likely to progress much further anyway!

    Obviously, adherence to the regulations is a condition of participation. If it was the case that any exceptions granted are done on a general associational (rather than club-specific) basis, however, I would imagine the fact that we have stadia within the territory of the FAI capable of fulfilling all the criteria would weaken any Irish bargaining power, if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Their budget is irrelevant though surely? Of course, give Pat's €30 million to spend and they'd probably put together a team capable of reaching the group stages, but at the end of the day, while Pat's had a chance, in truth, Legia are miles better in all departments.

    Anything can happen over 180 minutes of football, but realistically, Legia were always going to win out in the end.
    Budget is hardly irrelevant, if it is then why do you say that given €30 million Pats would be able to compete at that level ? Of course Legia were better. They've every right to be given the amount of money that they have to spend compared to Pats. Teams with bigger budgets will always be more successful than those with less money, though one off shocks can happen at times. That's what Pats were hoping against hope for against Legia, and the first leg did give us a glimmer of hope, but you're right they were always favourites, even after the first leg. And it must be borne in mind the circumstances of the 5-0. Pats defence was decimated in the last 20minutes and that's when the extra goals went in. Pats wouldn't have won with a full defence out, but it wouldn't have been 5 goals.
    Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    I'm fairly sure that it is the national associations - not the clubs - that apply for exceptions, and that any exceptions granted apply to all clubs within that association.
    Just getting a chance to check the regulations now and there's this in article 13.02 of the current Europa League rule-book:

    Quote Originally Posted by UEFA
    The UEFA administration may grant an exception to a specific structural criterion for the stadium category in question in cases of particular hardship and upon reasoned request, for instance owing to the current national legislation or if the fulfilment of all the required criteria would force a club to play its home matches on the territory of another association. An exception can be granted for one or more matches in the competition or for the whole duration of the competition. Such decisions are final.
    The Champions League regulations state the very same.

    It doesn't exactly specify whether or not a request for exemption should come from a club or its governing association, but it does seem to indicate that exceptions are granted on a match-specific basis. Wouldn't that imply then that any decision would not apply across the board to all clubs competing under a shared association?

    This article from October last year furthermore suggests it is the clubs who appeal to UEFA themselves: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24758149

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    Celtic's chief executive Peter Lawwell had asked Uefa to look at options for the tie, including stadiums outside Scotland.

    Speaking earlier this week Lawwell said: "We are currently in discussion with Uefa in terms of what options we have.
    Or, at least Celtic were in direct discussion with UEFA anyway about finding an alternative to Celtic Park whilst it was being used for the Commonwealth Games.

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    Aggregate result: Legia 6 Celtic 1. Exactly the same as the Legia-Pats tie. But that one would have been 3-1 but for all four selected defenders for Pats suffering injuries (one of whom had to play out the last few minutes while unable to run).

    The barstoolers had a right go at Pats over the result, but tonight's result puts it into context (as does the quote today from a Legia player that Pats were better tan Celtic as far as Legia could see).

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    If you really believe that, you're on some good sh*t...

    Celtic are cack currently, but 99 times out of a 100 they'd beat any LOI team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    If you really believe that, you're on some good sh*t...

    Celtic are cack currently, but 99 times out of a 100 they'd beat any LOI team.
    I don't believe he did say that Pat's were better than Celtic, he said that a Legia player had said that.

    This is the article in question

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...69535968_n.jpg

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    Yeah, saw that. Maybe they were. If so, fair play...
    But their records in Europe in the last 30-40 years are not exactly comparable.

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    All I am saying is that St Pats performed better against Legia than Celtic did. That reflects how they stand rignt now, nothing to do with the last 30-40 years.

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    Er, in one game each, away in Warsaw. And their overall 'performances' were both pretty poor, each losing 1-6 on aggregate!

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