LOI Week 3.

[White Horse]

this week........

Horgan should have gone for his spear tackle. Although God only knows if Soccer Republic will show it.

My son who was with me said it should have been a red, I didn't get a good view of it. Soccer Republic will show about 30 seconds of the game, so god knows if they'll include that. I have to agree that Sligo deserved a point. They worked their socks off and got the tactics right in the second half, in particular.

[sligoman]

Dundalk benefitted from Ross Gaynor's lack of a brain and Baraclough made the most pointless substitution taking Maguire off for Ledwith which killed off any hope of us having any chances. Deserved a point though. Dundalk were very quick on the counter attack but their defence is cat, how is Gartland starting for them? Gannon looked wrecked very early in second half, a better attacking team will easily score goals against them. Won't be winning anything this year.

Our squad is too light (one of those on bench last night was a player who had already played 90mins for U19's a few hours before hand) and we're struggling because of that now with a few injuries, qualifying for Europe will be an achievement.

[Ezeikial]

. Dundalk were very quick on the counter attack but their defence is cat, how is Gartland starting for them? Gannon looked wrecked very early in second half, a better attacking team will easily score goals against them.

Dundalk counter attacked?
Are you serious?

Your analysis is really bizarre!

[White Horse]

...their defence is cat, how is Gartland starting for them? Gannon looked wrecked very early in second half, a better attacking team will easily score goals against them. Won't be winning anything this year.

Gartland's pre-season's was interrupted with two injuries and then his fathers illness and death. He is not yet fit, but will be a good defender when he is.

If you think we are bad with him, you should have seen us in Drogheda when we were without him.

By the way, what is North's excuse? Benny The Bull looked fitter.

[Ezeikial]

Gannon pre-season's was interrupted with two injuries and then his fathers illness and death.

As you say, he is not yet fit. However, that will change. If you think we are bad with him, you should have seen us in Drogheda when we were without him.

By the way, what is North's excuse? Benny The Bull looked fitter.

I think that you referred to Gannon in error. It was Brian Gartland who had the family bereavement.

[White Horse]

I think that you referred to Gannon in error. It was Brian Gartland who had the family bereavement.

You are right, a mistype, I'll correct.

I have to say, I didn't notice Gannon suffering due to lack of fitness. He had little to do in the game as Sligo sat back.

[Calcio Jack]

Not sure why I 'm biting on this but here goes......successive Bohs boards have succeeded in untangling a land law mess and Bohs now have title to the whole property.
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Serious question -

accepting Bohs now how hold the title to the whole property, am I correct in assuming that there are substantial charges against the club - thus you may have full title but don't actually have any control over it i.e. similar to a domestic mortgage where ones name is on the title deeds but your lender holds them until you have paid off your mortgage in full.

And if the above is correct , is it also correct to say that Bohs aren't in a position to pay off their loans and thus have in effect defaulted and are only allowed to use Dalymount by agreement with who ever holds the charge over the deeds ?

[Dunny]

Dundalk counter attacked?
Are you serious?

Your analysis is really bizarre!

Sligoman strikes again..

[Dalymountrower]

Serious question -

accepting Bohs now how hold the title to the whole property, am I correct in assuming that there are substantial charges against the club - thus you may have full title but don't actually have any control over it i.e. similar to a domestic mortgage where ones name is on the title deeds but your lender holds them until you have paid off your mortgage in full.

And if the above is correct , is it also correct to say that Bohs aren't in a position to pay off their loans and thus have in effect defaulted and are only allowed to use Dalymount by agreement with who ever holds the charge over the deeds ?

Yes there is a substantial charge on the property .Just like any one holding a mortgage we have to either meet ongoing interest and capital payments or come to some other agreed arrangement.Whether we play football in Dalymount to help discharge those debts or say Archery competitions, is a matter of complete indifference to anyone holding the charge. We have use our property in the same way as any property owner has use of theirs
However, for example ,if property owners fail to pay and fail to reach agreement with the lender and default they can face action for repossession. Bohs would also be in that position if that hypothetical situation arose .To suggest that any mortgagee who cannot immediately pay off the full amount as having "defaulted" as you suggest, is wide of the mark.

Thankfully all still hypothetical. It would be great if we could hang on to the ground indefinitely and improve the facilities but with in two/three years of an upturn in the property market in D7 or when the DIT campus is developed in Grangegorman, the sad reality is that Dalymount Park will be sold.

[avvenalaf]

Dundalk benefitted from Ross Gaynor's lack of a brain and Baraclough made the most pointless substitution taking Maguire off for Ledwith which killed off any hope of us having any chances. Deserved a point though. Dundalk were very quick on the counter attack but their defence is cat, how is Gartland starting for them? Gannon looked wrecked very early in second half, a better attacking team will easily score goals against them. Won't be winning anything this year.

Our squad is too light (one of those on bench last night was a player who had already played 90mins for U19's a few hours before hand) and we're struggling because of that now with a few injuries, qualifying for Europe will be an achievement.

What was he supposed to do? If he left it as it was, assuming he pulled Greene back to left full, he would be effectively be playing 4 3 2 against 4 5 1. How could that make sense?

[Calcio Jack]

Yes there is a substantial charge on the property .Just like any one holding a mortgage we have to either meet ongoing interest and capital payments or come to some other agreed arrangement.Whether we play football in Dalymount to help discharge those debts or say Archery competitions, is a matter of complete indifference to anyone holding the charge. We have use our property in the same way as any property owner has use of theirs
However, for example ,if property owners fail to pay and fail to reach agreement with the lender and default they can face action for repossession. Bohs would also be in that position if that hypothetical situation arose .To suggest that any mortgagee who cannot immediately pay off the full amount as having "defaulted" as you suggest, is wide of the mark.

Thankfully all still hypothetical. It would be great if we could hang on to the ground indefinitely and improve the facilities but with in two/three years of an upturn in the property market in D7 or when the DIT campus is developed in Grangegorman, the sad reality is that Dalymount Park will be sold.

Cheers for the update and clearing up that you're not in default and could face immediate eviction, as you say sad reality is that it's only a matter of time before that happens and the ground goes the same way as Milltown - hopefully not for a while yet

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Dundalk counter attacked?
Are you serious?

Your analysis is really bizarre!

In the first half, until we decided to just let the Dundalk centre backs just have the ball whenever they had it, we were getting caught with too many forward at times and Dundalk were breaking whenever we lost the ball. That was really when they looked most dangerous. Would think that is what he means.

We counteracted that by putting everyone behind the ball!

[ThePrisoner]

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]The Mods may wish to move this. Maybe there should be aseparate thread for club finances?


Per the last audited accounts (filed with the CRO) for Bohemian FootballClub Limited CRO No 8751 (y/e 30/11/12) the following charges aredisclosed:

Investors holda first specific charge over the entire freehold grounds of Dalymount Park,Phibsboro, Dublin 7, with exception of the car park located in the Northwesterncorner of Dalymount Park.

TheMinister of Sport holds a second specific charge in the sum of €965,000 overthe entire freehold grounds of Dalymount Park, Phibsboro, Dublin 7, withexception of the car park located in the Northwestern corner of Dalymount Park.

ZurichBank holds a third specific over the entire freehold grounds of Dalymount Park,Phibsboro, Dublin 7, with exception of the car park located in the Northwesterncorner of Dalymount Park, while it continues to hold a first specific chargeover this car park.

The Investors are unnamed but they are listed as being owed €628,720. Thebank loan is stated at €4,295,280. A total of €5,889,000 secured on DalymountPark.

So that's chapter and verse on Dalymount Park.


Now, the accounts for St Pats (Newtonheath Company Limited t/a St. Patrick'sAthletic Football Club CRO No. 189439) make for even better or worse readingdepending on your allegiances. But one thing for sure if I was a Pat'ssupporter I would be very worried about the future of the club and theground. Pats are arguably in a worse state that Bohs.

Anyone interested in a finance thread?
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[desaintsno.12]

how were Derry this week ?

[redobit]

What was he supposed to do? If he left it as it was, assuming he pulled Greene back to left full, he would be effectively be playing 4 3 2 against 4 5 1. How could that make sense?

I understand why he took Maguire off but I think it was a bit of a hasty decision meself. As soon as he took Maguire it almost killed any chances of us scoring. Maguire has played deep in games and could have played closer to the midfield and we still could have hoped for a goal on the counter. Putting Greene left back (where he ended up) and trying Maguire was worth a go. The thing about taking him off is that we had no attacking substitutes. If they got an early goal we had nobody to come on and try to get a goal. At least if Maguire had been left on you had more of a chance of scoring.

Id have taken North off meself. Maguire up on his own would have done far more work.

If there was a pointless decision made, it was putting Russell out on the left wing. He was our best player. A joy to watch, thank fuk he's back.

[PartySaint]

how were Derry this week ?

Heard from someone at the game that they should have won against Drogs easily.

We will struggle up there on Friday on that pitch.

[pineapple stu]

Keep an eye out for our second goal against Athlone tonight, from Ayman Ben Mohammed. Picked the ball up from a goal kick, ran 35 yards past three or four defenders and slotted home nicely. Looks like a really good player; the goal aside, Athlone had real problems just getting the ball off him most of the time.

Hard to know what to make of the game though. We were much better for the first hour and should have been out of sight; Athlone came back really strongly (and we collapsed) as soon as they scored, and we were hanging on for the win in the end. Still, a first win of the season and two goals scored for the third game in a row is confidence-building. We're still looking stronger at the back than last season too (not that that would have been hard!)

[desaintsno.12]

Heard from someone at the game that they should have won against Drogs easily.

We will struggle up there on Friday on that pitch.

yep i think so. we are struggling to get the tiki taka going, and it sounds like its a bog up there, so that certainly wont help.
We should have held on to Ian Gilzean and we could lump it up to him all night.