FAI Cup 2014

**DannyInvincible** · 09/10/2014, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by Nailor

Derry Fans at it again!! Surely it's time for their club to put a stop to this!!

Did you miss these bits?

Originally Posted by Ger Keville

The Rovers squad and backroom team were leaving the Brandywell carpark following their team’s 2-0 FAI Cup semi-final defeat to Derry City when a group of youths, who are not believed to have been at the match, threw bricks at the bus.

“The team bus was attacked when it was exiting the carpark,” said Fergal Barton of Barton’s coaches.

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“To be fair to Derry, they do everything they can inside the ground, but once you go outside it can be dangerous. It’s not the first time this has happened.

“More than likely, the people involved in this were locals who were not at the match.

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With regards to the lack of police presence outside the ground, Barrett added: “We have our own security firm who look after everything inside the Brandywell.

“Outside the ground is fully controlled by the police.”

**Dodge** · 09/10/2014, 9:53 AM

“Outside the ground is fully controlled by the police.”

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**nigel-harps1954** · 09/10/2014, 10:04 AM

I don't think I've ever visited the Brandywell without a group of young fellas trying to cause some sort of bother in the carpark.

**PartySaint** · 09/10/2014, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I don't think I've ever visited the Brandywell without a group of young fellas trying to cause some sort of bother in the carpark.

It's a disaster up there, nearly every time I go up on the bus the windows get smashed coming out of the car park, the last time I went up they were throwing stones at the bus as we were coming into the car park then a big fight in the car park afterwards.

**DannyInvincible** · 09/10/2014, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

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The behaviour is despicable, no doubt about that, but are the antics of an unrelated bunch of hoods on a public thoroughfare outside the stadium the responsibility of the football club? The police are supposed to be in control there. It's not a no-go area. They enter into the Bogside/Brandywell area plenty, although, sadly, it's most often when they, for strategic purposes, wish to provoke a riot down there in order to keep potential rioting youths distracted and out of the city centre when you've got bands of loyalists marching around it. What can the club do if the police aren't doing their proper job?

**Mr A** · 09/10/2014, 11:04 AM

Ask the police to do a proper job?

**DannyInvincible** · 09/10/2014, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

It's a disaster up there, nearly every time I go up on the bus the windows get smashed coming out of the car park, the last time I went up they were throwing stones at the bus as we were coming into the car park then a big fight in the car park afterwards.

Fair enough, if it was inside the car park, the stewards should be ensuring it's a safe area for those within.

**vinnie** · 09/10/2014, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Did you miss these bits?

Also from that article

�There were a few young locals hanging around and I think they threw some stones. Some Rovers fans approached them and there was a wee scuffle but nothing major at all. The Rovers fans were exemplary,� said Derry City�s Sean Barrett.

**redobit** · 09/10/2014, 1:00 PM

I've been up to the Brandywell more times than I can count following Sligo Rovers and never once had any hassle, inside or outside the ground !

**avvenalaf** · 09/10/2014, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by redobit

I've been up to the Brandywell more times than I can count following Sligo Rovers and never once had any hassle, inside or outside the ground !

Same as that.

**Dodge** · 09/10/2014, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

What can the club do if the police aren't doing their proper job?

Make sure that all visitors get in and out of the car parks and surrounds without being bricked. It happens WAY too often in Derry for the club to be allowed ignore it. Saying "sure it's outside" isn't good enough.

Every other club in the league pays for a police presence in/around their stadium. Derry don't do this apparently. If, and I'm not doubting you, the location isn't the problem, then everybody concerned needs to find out what is stopping the PSNI from having a presence there. If that's unacceptable then Derry need to pay for security for the surrounding areas.

**White Horse** · 09/10/2014, 2:02 PM

I have been in Derry for games many many times over almost 30 years. I have never experienced anything other than friendliness.

**DannyInvincible** · 09/10/2014, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by vinnie

Also from that article

“There were a few young locals hanging around and I think they threw some stones. Some Rovers fans approached them and there was a wee scuffle but nothing major at all. The Rovers fans were exemplary,” said Derry City’s Sean Barrett.

Fair play! I never disputed that.

Originally Posted by Dodge

Make sure that all visitors get in and out of the car parks and surrounds without being bricked. It happens WAY too often in Derry for the club to be allowed ignore it. Saying "sure it's outside" isn't good enough.

Every other club in the league pays for a police presence in/around their stadium. Derry don't do this apparently. If, and I'm not doubting you, the location isn't the problem, then everybody concerned needs to find out what is stopping the PSNI from having a presence there. If that's unacceptable then Derry need to pay for security for the surrounding areas.

They do happen way too often - it's rotten behaviour - but just because these incidents happen too often doesn't necessarily make them the club's responsibility. Where does the club's supposed responsibility end if not at the boundary of the stadium and its related grounds? Those involved aren't even supporters who've just departed the stadium; they're local hoods who have nothing better to do. Are the club to act as local custodians of the peace?

**Lim till i die** · 09/10/2014, 11:33 PM

Random thought for the night

Are clubs happy in general with having finals in the Aviva as opposed to the days of tolka and dalymount before they became dangerous cess holes.

Like I know it's a nice stadium and all but there's a cost attached.

We're playing Derry tomorrow night. If the final was in a small venue and they were selling tickets in the ground they'd pack the place.

As it is will there be 1200 there??

In short you're down fifty grand for the honour of playing in the Aviva.

**Candystripe** · 10/10/2014, 1:31 AM

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Good point Lim and very true. But as a spectacle for the blue ribbon game of the season it's a great honour and brilliant for the fans to get to our national stadium and watch our local club play there.

Ok, maybe their might be only 16-to 20,000 there but I've been going to Ireland games for a 30 yrs and only the game in Gdansk v Spain I thought was better in atmosphere but I had drove for 1,000km the day before to get there

As much as we slag the FAI I think Landsdown rd is the place for our finals.

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 10/10/2014, 7:33 AM

Lansdowne on cup final day with just the lower tiers populated is really good (obviously talking from someone who has had good days there).

**Longfordian** · 10/10/2014, 7:39 AM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Random thought for the night

Are clubs happy in general with having finals in the Aviva as opposed to the days of tolka and dalymount before they became dangerous cess holes.

Like I know it's a nice stadium and all but there's a cost attached.

We're playing Derry tomorrow night. If the final was in a small venue and they were selling tickets in the ground they'd pack the place.

As it is will there be 1200 there??

In short you're down fifty grand for the honour of playing in the Aviva.

I don't think it makes much difference to clubs now it's a fixed amount of prize money for each club. It's not like the �50k saved would go back into the clubs' money. I enjoyed our two finals in Lansdowne, even apart from the fact that we won it just felt like a much bigger occasion than playing at a club ground.

**Dodge** · 10/10/2014, 8:37 AM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Are clubs happy in general with having finals in the Aviva as opposed to the days of tolka and dalymount before they became dangerous cess holes.

Like I know it's a nice stadium and all but there's a cost attached.

We're playing Derry tomorrow night. If the final was in a small venue and they were selling tickets in the ground they'd pack the place.

As it is will there be 1200 there??

In short you're down fifty grand for the honour of playing in the Aviva.

Clubs aren't getting that 50 grand so it's not really a factor. All the cup finals in the Aviva have had decent attendances (well over 12k for each of them) and it being in Aviva helps that IMO

As someone who's been there as a fan, and then as a nuetral, it's far better there than elsewhere.

The fact that nowhere else is suitable means it's kinda moot anyway

**Straightstory** · 10/10/2014, 10:16 AM

Dalymount used to be great if there were over 15,000 there.
Tolka and the RDS were awful.
The Aviva is a brilliant place for the final. The attendances have been much bigger than they would have been anywhere else (helped by the reduced admission). All LOI fans should go to the final, if they can. Impressive stadium; big crowd - the only time this happens all season.

**brendy_�ire** · 10/10/2014, 12:35 PM

Interesting stat raised on DerryCityChat about our cup final jerseys:

1988: Wore specially made Cup Final candystripe jersey - LOST
1989: Wore that season's candystripes - WON
1994: Wore specially made Cup Final jersey (mostly white) - LOST
1995: Wore that season's candystripes - WON
1997: Wore yellow away rig - LOST
2002: Wore that season's candystripes - WON
2006: Wore that season's candystripes - WON
2008: Wore Argentina away = LOST
2012: Wore that season's candystripes = WON