QuoteKeogh named in PFA Championship team of the season alongside Murphy and Westwood: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derb...ail/story.html
Hi TOWK, my response was a bit rushed yesterday and I don't have to time to deal with all your points right now. I'll reply more comprehensively tomorrow, as I know it can be frustrating when somebody just ignores any points that you feel are valid.
Keogh named in PFA Championship team of the season alongside Murphy and Westwood: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derb...ail/story.html
Firstly, apologies for all of the multi-quoting but there was a lot to reply to. I really don't like going down this road (i.e. the volume of my reply) and it's definitely a once off. In my defence, at least it's my own thread I'm butchering!
I didn’t shrug it off at all. I said I still expected Derby to challenge for the automatics if they could get back to full strength. Instead of getting back to full strength, the injury situation actually got a lot worse. Of course this is only an excuse that won’t change anything, but it has been an important factor. These were my comments around the time you were talking about (see, no shrugging off!)Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
And seeing as you like to pat yourself on the back for your prediction that Derby would struggle to make the playoffs, it should be noted that you earlier predicted this (before changing your mind when their form dipped).
I’m not knocking you for this of course, just pointing out that none of us are psychic on here. Anyway, it looks like we might still be correct about them making the playoffs... clearly I was well off the mark with the automatics.
To my annoyance? Please explain. My replies weren’t remotely confrontational so I don’t know why you’re saying I was annoyed.
I agree they have one of the weaker defences in the top six, I never said they didn’t. Their game is largely based on good possession and being on the front foot. They’re not like Middlesbrough, for example, who rely heavily on keeping it tight. They score and concede, unfortunately for them, in almost equal measure since their form has dipped, this wasn’t the case last season or in the first half of this season. They were generally scoring enough or not quite as fragile defensively.
I was only making the point that Martin has been injured for the majority of the period that Derby have really started leaking goals, therefore he wasn’t in a position where he could bail them out. His form this season has been fantastic, he’s a key player for them. The ‘dig’, as you call it, was completely towards what I saw as an inaccuracy in your comment, definitely not aimed at Chris Martin.
That’s rubbish and you know it. Of course, they’re faltering at the business end (so far). My question to you that time, which you didn’t bother dealing with despite the fact that I mentioned it twice, was that you said “faltering at the business end – again”. I’m sure you understand this perfectly well and you're just being selective in your wording now. I mean, how anybody would take what you’ve just said above from this, I just don’t know:
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You see, this is just pure nonsense. I’ll attempt to prove it in my next post. And how you can say I’m paranoid is quite funny coming from a guy who thinks a whole message board is out to get him! I’m not blaming the man on the moon or anybody else for Keogh’s inadequacies (of which he has plenty) but I am trying to be fair to the guy, and he’s been one of their better performers defensively during their slump, in my opinion, certainly in the games I have seen and highlights of the goals they have conceded.
Are you seriously suggesting that I was unaware that Thorne has been out all season, that it really needed to be pointed out to me? Mascarell was first choice holding midfielder a lot of the time Eustace was available, certainly for the more winnable home games, which would have been the majority of them. Personally, I think Eustace and Thorne are bigger losses against the stronger sides or tougher away games, but Mascarell is a good ball player. It’s the loss of any recognised holding midfield which has severely imbalanced the team. It has the knock on effect of taking the likes of Hendrick, Bryson or Hughes away from the areas where they do their best work also.
And I’m not just selectively bringing Mascarell into the equation now, I said this at the start of March before you even made your ‘struggling to make playoffs’ prediction. This was also before he got injured.
Throw Mascarell into the mix and they haven’t done fine without a recognised holding midfielder. They have now started twelve games this season without all three, winning just four (against Rotterham on the opening day, when they won 1-0 with a late winner after bringing Mascarell on), Carlisle in the League Cup and relegated Blackpool and Wigan.
Well I was pointing to Bent and Martin’s injuries as another reason for the general dip in form, not so much conceding more goals. That being said, it does take some of the burden off a defence when you have a striker that can hold the ball up and win free kicks in the oppositions half. There are few better at this than Martin, I’m sure you’ll agree.
Not at all, but every team have different strengths and weaknesses. I know more about Derby’s than the teams listed above. A natural holding midfield player is key to the way they're set up, when they’re at their best.
You really need to look up the definition of irony, we’ve been here before. I know you’re being lighthearted on this point but I don’t really get it. What has Buxton got to do with Derby keeping a clean sheet the last time Keogh was missing? They always start together when fit so it’s not like Buxton stepped in for Keogh that time. And by the way, Keogh has started 21 of Derby’s 22 clean sheets this season. The one you mention was the only one he didn’t, at home to Brighton.
There have been a lot of individual mistakes, which Keogh is no stranger to himself, but recently I think it’s been more the likes of Forsyth (Watford’s equaliser an obvious example) and Grant has been really poor, after an excellent first half to the season. Christie’s form has dipped to the point where he’s been dropped a couple of times, fair enough if you feel this was harsh on him but he definitely hasn’t looked his energetic self lately.
Now that’s ironic.
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As promised!.... this is just a quick selection of me defending Keogh to the hilt! If it wasn’t for you I could actually be seen as the guy with an agenda against him on here. The only difference is I give him credit where it is due also.
Must be upsetting for his critics here!
I'm impressed. Embrace it, DeL!
I didn't even know there was a character limit!
Keogh's handball looked harsh alright, his hands were raised but it seemed to hit him on the chest, hard to tell. Forde wasn't brilliant for Ince's free kick, one of those goals that he tends to concede where it's hard to fault him too much but I wonder would a better keeper save it. The highlights are here (including Hendrick's goal at 2:00).
Going to miss out on the playoffs. 2-0 down at home to Reading. Terrible end to the season when all they needed was a point.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
"Jake Buxton is the glue that holds the Derby defence together and they've missed him". Peter Beagrie
PM Danny. He'll tell you how to circumvent that.
Got exactly what they deserved!
Lets talk about six baby
Derby seem to have completed the resigning of Jason Shackell from Burnley. It looks pretty certain that he'll be in the team, so it could be an interesting battle for the second centre back spot between Richard Keogh and Alex Pearce. Ryan Shotton and Jake Buxton are still on the books too, of course, but I'd imagine Keogh and Pearce would be ahead of them in the pecking order and one, if not both, could be gone in this transfer window anyway. The other centre back, Albentosa, has been loaned back to Spain with Malaga. Clement has been making noises about making his side adept in various formations and having more than one game plan (something that was severely lacking under McClaren) so maybe he'll experiment with three at the back which might work out well for our two lads.
Ominous looking start to Clement's reign as Pearce and Hendrick start on the bench. Keogh starts and Christie doesn't even making the subs. Serious competition for places with the likes of Weimann and Bent on the bench.
Hendrick on for Bryson midway through the first half.
And Will Hughes gone off with a nasty looking knee injury. Door opening for Hendrick at least even if it's a bit of a potential disaster for Derby.
Hendrick will get plenty of game time. Hughes & Thorne are very brittle.
Hendrick only came on for the final fifteen minutes or so in Derby's 0-0 draw at home to Burnley last night, seems to be more of a bench player at this moment in time after all of Derby's signings. I don't know much about Butterfield, the guy they signed from Huddersfield, but he would seem to be his main competitor for a starting spot. Hendrick had a couple of sloppy moments when he came on as Derby went in chase of a winner, but he did have one really incisive pass that almost created the winner. I only saw the second half but Keogh looked really good, and almost scored the winner himself but his header was cleared off the line. Christie was heavily involved down the right as well.
Super midfield play by Hendrick to win the day for Derby this afternoon. Benched until the 70th minutes mark again, he was instrumental in the goal that put Derby into a scarcely deserved 2-1 lead approaching injury time. Tom Ince subsequently put a gloss on the result with a third shortly afterwards.
Hendrick received the ball from Keogh in the centre of midfield*, played a nice one-two with Bradley Johnson before feeding the ball to Tom Ince down the left. Ince looked like running into a cul de sac before Hendrick offered himself again in support. Ince knocked it back to him and made the run in behind which Hendrick picked out brilliantly. Ince then had the simple task of playing it across to Darren Bent who put it into an open goal. I'm not sure he can be left out of the starting line-up much longer, consistency may be a factor but for a team struggling in the final third he really possesses the bit of imagination that a lot of the others don't really have.
Alex Pearce wasn't even in the match day squad, not sure if he was injured but it's looking like a dodgy move for him with the form of Keogh and Shackell. He's really relying on injuries at this stage.
*The kind of confident midfield play I think most would like to see James McCarthy produce more, taking a ball in a vulnerable midfield position with some opposition players nearby.
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