Yeah Birmingham was a killer for them and, actually, Watford at home when they led against ten men. A lot of damage had been done by then but a win there and they were back in the mix for automatic big time. You'd never know though, they might be in a better position heading for the playoffs than whoever miss out on automatic. QPR were in pretty poor form going into the playoffs last season.
I'm not implying that Keogh has something to do with Derby conceding 27 goals in 17 games. Just like I am sure you are not implying that Derby's run of 6 clean sheets earlier in the season had something to do with Keogh. Or Derby's lack of a holding midfielder has something to do with their porous defense.Originally Posted by DeLorean
Well obviously I was implying that Derby's run of clean sheet had something to do with Keogh, seeing as I said -
I didn't say he was solely responsible but obviously I implied he played his part. I'm sure he played his part in some of the goals they've conceded recently also, but my overriding opinion would be that he was one of the few steadying influences back there at a time when others have had a severe dip in form, Grant, Christie and Forsyth in particular. The bedding in of Albentosa to a new league after losing the very experienced Jake Buxton was also a major factor I would suggest.
I'm not sure I understand your final sentence. Obviously any defence is going to be more exposed if their best defensive midfielders are absent? You're hardly disputing this?
I take it you've just accepted that you were spouting nonsense about Derby faltering at the business end - again.
Last edited by DeLorean; 21/04/2015 at 3:23 PM.
Brentford, Ipswich & Wolves are winning. Derby are losing. Derby under pressure.
Will they miss Darren Bent up front?
Derby 2-0 down to Millwall after Keogh conceded a penalty.
Derby back in it after a free-kick from Tom Ince. The industrious Conor Sammon won the free-kick.
Derby 3-1 down to Millwall after another penalty; conceded by Jeff Hendrick and won by Alan Dunne.
Last edited by TheOneWhoKnocks; 25/04/2015 at 3:30 PM.
Looks like it'll go down to the last day if Brentford keep winning.
Aiden O'Brien concedes a penalty and Derby are back in it again!
Hendrick equalises!
Keogh bailed out again.
30 goals conceded in 18 games is not promotion form but Chris Martin bails out Derby's defence again with his 21st goal of the season.
Derby's promotion effort falters again with 3 goals conceded against a relegation threatened team but their destiny is still in their own hands.
Last edited by TheOneWhoKnocks; 25/04/2015 at 4:06 PM.
I'm actually heading over to Derby next wkd so will go to final game. A draw will do them for playoffs now and take it from there I suppose. I think Thorne might be back for it or at least the playoffs which would be a big boost.
Chris Martin scored a penalty to pull it back to 3-2... This is what bailed out Derby's defence... again? Funny, Martin has been injured for most of the period where Derby's defence actually needed bailing out. He scored the vast majority of those goals when their defence were on top of things.
To be fair, DeLorean..
- You shrugged it off when I said a month and a half ago that I worried for Derby's promotion aspirations and contrasted their form with that of Watford, Bournemouth, Middlesbrough and Norwich. A month and a half later, Watford are promoted and the other three are in the automatic promotion mix and Derby need a win just to secure a Playoff place.
- In the same post a month and a half ago I expressed concern about Derby's (lack of) defensive solidity to your annoyance and a month and a half later, they are still leaking goals like a sieve.
- I don't know why you keep insinuating that the absence of Thorne & Eustace is affecting them. They have played a combined 17 times this season and Derby have done fine without them.
- I said last year that they do not have a strong enough defence to match their attacking strengths and it cost them; just like last year, they have the worst defensive record of the top 6 teams.
- I don't know why you are having a wee dig at me (and Chris Martin)! Today was just his second start since getting injured on the 2nd of February. Before that his form was exemplary! It is okay to insinuate that Keogh is part the reason why they kept 6 clean sheets once but it is unfair of me to point out that Martin's goal today bailed them out and that his goals were a significant reason for their early season form?!
- You were belligerent towards me when I said they were faltering at the business end. They have conceded 30 in 18 games and have won 4 of their last 18 games. You don't think that is faltering?
I honestly don't know why you are so paranoid and sensitive. I haven't blamed Keogh for anything this afternoon. I simply said their defense is faltering (which it is) and that he conceded a penalty (which he did).
Now you can blame the man on the moon for Keogh's inadequacies and you can defend him to the hilt but his and Derby's form is far from perfect ATM.
Last edited by TheOneWhoKnocks; 25/04/2015 at 5:50 PM.
Mascarell has also been injured and released back to Spain, their third holding midfielder, but generally more effective in home games when they're on the front foot. If you're going to plant stats, please include him. It's their lack of any holding midfielder that has been their problem. Mascarell used play the home games even when Eustace was available,so your stat is totally misleading. You surely can't disregard it as a major factor, on top of the loss of Bent and Martin at the same time. I'm not knocking Martin, far from it, he's a major player for them and they are, and have been, lost without him. I was just saying he was injured during their worst period defensive, which contradicted what you were saying... simple. Yeah, in fairness, you did call it. I have to say I never invisaged things getting as bad for Derby, but then I'm not psychic and didn't realise instead of their chronic injuries clearing up, they would get progressively worse, to the point where they had litteraly no stricker or defensive midfielder for a long spell, on top of losing some other important players at various stages, notably Buxton, Keogh's long term centre back partner. Had I known this, I wouldn't have been as sure, but they'll still probably make the playoffs, regardless, so I'm not totally wrong just yet.
Last edited by DeLorean; 25/04/2015 at 6:31 PM.
By the way, nice touch with the bullet points... Makes you look like you mean business. Hendrick's goal was supposed to be a cracker.
Saw it on sky sports news earlier, yeah it's a cracking finish
Some volley alright. He also gave away the second penalty for a foul on Dunne. Keogh's handball looked incredibly harsh.
Eh DeLorean it was you that brought up George Thorne as if his absence was the reason Derby's defence has been performing so dismally over the last several months and when you are told he has been out all season - even when their form was exemplary - it's Mascarell's absence now.
And what does a striker - any striker - being out injured have to do with how poorly a defence is performing?
Yeah I'm not disregarding it as a minor contributing factor.
You come across like Norwich, Watford & Ipswich have Didier Deschamps or Claude Makelele type water carriers protecting their defence when they have had to economise just like Derby have.
Ironic that you bring Jake Buxton up. The last time Derby started without Keogh in their defence, they actually kept a clean sheet. Hmm.....
Listen DeLorean, I think you are being a little paranoid here.
I didn't have a go at Keogh for his performances or for the penalty but you still feel the compulsion to defend him anyways.
Derby have scored 7 goals against poor teams and they have picked up 2 points for their efforts. I have criticised their defence. I don't think there is anything slightly provocative in that.
You have implied that Cyrus Christie & the other defenders have been erratic and carry the burden for their deficiencies - which I disagree with - but Richard Keogh is supposed to be the captain.... you know?
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