Group D - opponent watch!

**Real ale Madrid** · 11/10/2015, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Hungary losing makes no real difference as they lost to the bottom side. They will progress as the best 3rd placed team

Unless Ukraine beat Spain at home. (Spain already Q)

**tricky_colour** · 11/10/2015, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by eekers

Here's how I see it.
Group A - Turkey surely have 3rd need a point at home against Iceland
Group B - Likely Bosnia will get 3rd. Israel need to get something away to Belgium after losing at home to Cyrpus
Group C - Has to be Ukraine. Ukraine need to beat/draw with Spain away hope Slovakia draw/lose to Luxembourg.
Group E - Slovenia
Group F - Hungary. Romania will beat the Faroes.
Group G - Sweden. Russia wont lose to Macedonia at home.
Group H - Norway. Norway wont beat Italy away.
Group I - Likely Albania. Cant see them getting a win in Armenia.

That would put us in the top seeded half with Turkey, Slovenia, Norway or Albania to play.

At a glance I though Bosnia would be in the bottom half, however I do not know the UEFA
rankings I was working on the basis of points earned in the group stage, but I susect
that is invalid?

Anyone have the UEFA rankings?

**tricky_colour** · 11/10/2015, 10:36 PM

Just done the rankings

turkey 12
Netherlands 10

Isreal 22
Bosna 38
cyprus 18

Ukraine 8
Slovakia 31

Slovenia 30

Hungary 33

Sweden 20
Russia 7

Croatia 17
Norway 24

Denmark 22

Bit of a waste of time given we are ranked about 1 millionth.

[forget this I think those were club rankings, which actually make me feel a little better as we are much better as a country than at club level

)

**davidatrb** · 11/10/2015, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

At a glance I though Bosnia would be in the bottom half, however I do not know the UEFA
rankings I was working on the basis of points earned in the group stage, but I susect
that is invalid?

Anyone have the UEFA rankings?

I'm basing it off this page.

http://m.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/

What's worrying is that the same coefficient will be used for allocating pots. Looks like we are 3 or 4 places off making pot 3. Pot 4 would mean that in theory we will face 3 better teams eg Germany Belgium and Czech.

**TrapAPony** · 11/10/2015, 10:38 PM

Looks like we are going to get one of Denmark, Ukraine, Bosnia or Sweden. Am I right in saying that? No easy draw there

**davidatrb** · 11/10/2015, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by TrapAPony

Looks like we are going to get one of Denmark, Ukraine, Bosnia or Sweden. Am I right in saying that? No easy draw there

Yes. That's what I calculate too. Will be screaming for Cyprus on Tuesday. And Ukraine tomorrow only because Hungary in the playoffs would be better than Ukraine. Oh and a draw for Turkey and only a draw.

**tricky_colour** · 11/10/2015, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by davidatrb

I'm basing it off this page.

http://m.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/

What's worrying is that the same coefficient will be used for allocating pots. Looks like we are 3 or 4 places off making pot 3. Pot 4 would mean that in theory we will face 3 better teams eg Germany Belgium and Czech.

Yes seem I used the club rankings.

**TrapAPony** · 11/10/2015, 11:16 PM

Lets just hope Turkey dont mess up to allow Holland in, Cyprus beat Bosnia, Ukraine beat Spain & Norway don't beat Italy. The playoffs might look a little better after that.

**tricky_colour** · 12/10/2015, 12:40 AM

Well it seems we require a number of results to go our way so our chances of being seeded must be very slim.

The whole thing is bit of a nonsense though as it is often based on out of date form, that bit might work in our favour.

Indeed it is so complicated managers should use a computer to determine tactics!!
(they probably already do!!)

**geysir** · 12/10/2015, 2:14 AM

Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

Unless Ukraine beat Spain at home. (Spain already Q)

That chance exists.
And if so, as an unseeded team, we would be blessed (relatively speaking) if we got Hungary.

**DeLorean** · 28/12/2015, 11:11 AM

Strachan reckons the Euros will be worse off without the Scotland fans. Well, seeing as it would have been at our expense, he's obviously talking out of his arse

Seems to be making a lot of excuses too and I'm not sure his comment about not being able to play quickly against defensive sides stacks up, the whole point of moving the ball quickly is to drag their opponents out of position. It's not easy, but it's not impossible.

BBC Sport

**paul_oshea** · 28/12/2015, 9:45 PM

I always worry about managers who come out defiant and say stuff like I wouldn't change anything when their objectives hasn't been met. They failed and should want to change it to get it right for the next time. Regardless of luck.