QuoteSo how many AB? Make me some Euro.
Ha.
For what it's worth we will beat the theme park. Or if we don't...
Though not by as much as Polska, just can't see seven goals in this team.
So how many AB? Make me some Euro.
I think the results against Gibraltar are irrelevant in a tie-breaker, thankfully.
The results against the last-placed team are discarded from determining the best third-placed finisher between all the groups, but results against Gibraltar (assuming they finish last) would be a factor in determining who finishes where within the group: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...1_DOWNLOAD.pdf
Article 13 Equality of points – qualifying competition
13.01: If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied, in the order given, to determine the rankings:
a. higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
b. superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
c. higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
d. higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question;
e. if, after having applied criteria a) to d), teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to d) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria f) to j) apply;
f. superior goal difference in all group matches;
g. higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
h. higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
i. fair play conduct in all group matches as defined in Annex C.5.1;
j. position in the UEFA national team coefficient rankings (see Annex B.1.2.b).
Article 14 Qualification for the final tournament
14.01: The nine group winners, the nine group runners-up and the best third-placed team qualify directly for the final tournament.
14.02: To compare the rankings between the qualifying groups and to determine the best third-placed team, the results against the teams in sixth place are discarded.
The following criteria are applied, in the order given, to determine the rankings:
a. higher number of points obtained;
b. superior goal difference;
c. higher number of goals scored;
d. higher number of away goals scored;
e. fair play conduct in all group matches as defined in Annex C.5.1;
f. position in the UEFA national team coefficient rankings (see Annex B.1.2.b).
Ok, so head to head first, then GD. That's good for us I think.
Three Scottish goalscorers with four overall goals in the Premier League today. There have been two Irish goalscorers with an overall total of two goals all season. *Groans*
Let's not even bother playing Scotland, they're going to beat us.
It's just depressing watching Soccer Saturday knowing that no Irish players will score.
Morrison, Dorrans, Arfield, Naismith and Wallace have all scored by now.
How do we have so many low scoring players? Whelan, McCarthy, Quinn and Gibson must have about 4 goals in the last 400 games between them by comparison.
You really can't read very much into it. They have more attacking players starting in the division, whereas we have a lot more defensive players. If Robbie was playing in the Premier League he'd have more goals than the lot of them combined.
Fletcher scored twice today, his only goals this season. He got three in the whole of last season. He's Kevin Doyle without the work rate. I wouldn't worry about it.
Not to worry TOWK, Simon Cox and Paul Green both scored today.Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Fitting.
Strange that Scotland's players playing well means they'll beat us, but Germany's players playing well means we'll get a result off them!
Cox loves to score.
I think people may be misinterpreting what I am saying.
Out of Arfield, Wallace, Morrison, Dorrans, Naismith and Fletcher - only Naismith and Morrison, at a push, are anything to write home about.
I'm not making a point about their players or drawing comparisons to our own players.
It's just utterly mind boggling - and a bit depressing - watching Soccer Saturday every week and their players score more than our own. I mean all those players I've just mentioned have one goal already. I would wager a bet with anyone here that McCarthy, Gibson, Ireland, Meyler, Quinn and Whelan (combined) will have less goals than all of those players have already (combined) by the end of the season.
I would still 55-45 expect Ireland to beat Scotland
This is why I was desperate for Brady to start or for Coleman to regain full fitness this weekend. They are the only Irish players, along with Long, who look confident enough to score on any kind of recurring basis - and Long is being played out of position!
All those Irish players you mention play in defensive or holding roles. It's no surprise they're not racking up the goals.
I think if Long, McGeady, Walters, Doyle, Keane and Brady were playing Championship football they'd have bags of goals. Naismith is a worry, no doubt.
TOWK, how come you've ignored Daryl Murphy, who has scored plenty for Ipswich? You 've been a fan recently enough. McGoldrick - relevant on the assumption he'll be available before long - has been doing as well as any Scotsman really and Sammon has been doing well enough at that level too. McClean was excellent against Ipswich. Pilkington scored last week, Hoolahan has been playing well. Reid - relevance debatable - has been playing well. Matt Doherty too, as TOWK is happy to point out. Westwood MOTM today and very good all season. I'm sure there are others relevant too, not least Eoin Doyle and Conor Hourihane. I dunno about Arter and O'Kane though either could sneak into Scotland's squad probably. Maybe even Sean Scannell too. Didn't Hendrick start the season with a few goals before his injury?
TOWK made the point after two or three weeks of the season that the Scots everywhere have started better than our players. I made the point (by way of a question) a couple of weeks ago that our equivalents have caught up, at least. The point went unnoticed though.
Our problem is that some of our players would probably be standouts at Championship level but not good enough to tear up trees at EPL level.
The bigger worry for me is that Strachan is happy to trust non-elite players whereas our management think it's some kind of crisis that we don't have a team full of Champions League players. It's not.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 04/10/2014 at 8:16 PM.
Hmm, not even WGS thinks that but let's hope MO'N has a cunning plan...
Naismith with a goal at Old Trafford.
I disagree with that last sentence. Fletcher didn't play that much last season through injury. Let's face facts, at 31 Doyle is finished as top class striker. On paper there isn't much between Ireland and Scotland but the Scots have an edge about them. We don't.
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