Gascoigne.....

[sylvo]

I've been surprised by a few of the responses to this... pointing no fingers, but I've met a few of the posters on this thread who are much more liberal and tolerant in the flesh than they appear here in writing. No names, no pack drill and all that, but I'm still a little surprised, 'tis all...

PP - Woollyliberaloldgits RISSC

We have not got that nice Belgian gargle this time PP to calm us all down. . Next time we meet up we won't talk about Gateshead's answer to James Galway.

[liam88]

I've been surprised by a few of the responses to this... pointing no fingers, but I've met a few of the posters on this thread who are much more liberal and tolerant in the flesh than they appear here in writing. No names, no pack drill and all that, but I'm still a little surprised, 'tis all...

PP - Woollyliberaloldgits RISSC

Sorry-just using my youth to get it all out so if I make any mess up's people can always use "young hot-head". When I'm older i'm sure people will be a lot less tolerant of any intolerance so i'll get it all out now.......if that makes sense

I think g*asgcoine is a subject that people find it hard to be tolerant about considering he was such an animal...

DG-re. Aldershot I was just going on what i've head only time I've been up there before has been for martial arts tournies so obviously no Erin jersey there...

[liam88]

Can anyone tell me the game? Not that I doubt you, just that I never heard that one before and, lets face it, it would be important to seperate fantasy from reality before thrashing a person.

EH?
Using the word 'if'! I was saying what g*asgcoine did was a disgrace and not just because he played for the huns. IF a Celtic player performed a secaterian celebration it would still be disgraceful! (just so happens that none of ours ever have )

[drinkfeckarse]

Happy to correct you there.

Have you forgotten Mo Johnston's 'sign of the cross' gestures at Rangers fans when in a Celtic shirt. Something he never did at Watford...maybe Celtic fans will argue that he was genuinely religious...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...533235,00.html

Could you really class that as sectarian Conor?
I mean I suppose it would be if Rangers fans didn't believe in God at all but that's not the case.

[sylvo]

I particularly liked the one about him using elbows. Did he? Really? Well I never? A player who got physical...burn him at the stake. Imagine what that poster will say when he sees the replay of that Keane/Haaland moment.

No need for the lecture on those incident's bud, Keane was a pr**t and ended up f**king himself up for a year, and deserved more of a punishment then what he got for his next attack on Haaland which Haaland has not got over .
Your next point please Conner.

[sylvo]

[QUOTE=Duncan Gardner]



and runs into a barrage of self-righteous abuse from Lopez and exaggeration (Messrs Sylvo and Liam),

Check out the amount of arrests against the Irish community under the PTA since 1974 and the amount of convictions that have been made from those arrests, and we'll see about exaggerations.

[liam88]

Well, as it was a religious gesture, a lot more sectarian than miming playing a musical instrument. But given the context, both gestures were unacceptable and inappropriate.

No; Players make the sign of the cross when they take corners, penalties etc. all the time!
You can't honestly say the gas*coine was miming an instrument and it just so happend to be the flute and could have just as easily been the French horn!
The sign of the cross is associated with Christianity; the flute is associated with an anti-Catholic group with links to lo*alist paramilatery groups; slight difference?

[liam88]

Yer being more than a tad pompous there DG......Par for the proverbial



Who was too busy,singing 'The S*sh' & about chicken takeaways ,with an unhealthy fascination for eating Fish suppers.....bizzarely,Always on a Friday!

Am going to take your word for it.........

[sylvo]

[QUOTE=Conor74]

Irish people get so excited about Gazza and his private life. Yet, say, if someone's mentions Keane or McGrath and their drinking people get very defensive and go on about judging a player on the pitch and not off it.

Get excited, more sick to death of it and the over exposure the media gave him and his hysterical antics which now thankfully they don't find to funny. I don't think I ever heard Keane or McGrath blaming anyone else but themselves about their drinking, unlike Gascoigne. Keane got his act together on that subject I hope McGrath one day fully will also.

[liam88]

Artist known as Gazza becomes 'G8'



22 October 2004

Prince Once became a squiggle, while Madonna recently declared that she is now Esther. Now Paul Gascoigne - the artist formerly known for being daft as a brush - will henceforth be known as "G8".

The former England, Newcastle, Tottenham and Lazio midfielder, who recently resigned as Boston's player-coach, made his announcement on Wednesday. "G8 is right for us now," he said. "It sounds a bit like 'great', or at least it does with my Geordie accent."

Gascoigne said the name change would help him put his troubled past - he has battled against alcoholism and depression - behind him.

"Paul's not right for us because it's too closely linked with the past," Gascoigne said. "I just want to be the guy that enjoyed his football and entertained the fans."

*********
Us?
How many of himself does he think there is?

Patsh-congratulations on starting the most heated debate round these parts for a while
It's all good craic-hope no one is taking anything personally; better to get it all out in the open now so we don't spend our Christmas party discussing the flutemaster; though admittidly after an hour or so can see any conversation becoming difficult ...

[lopez]

Fair Play Boy offers a pefectly reasonable criticism, as below...and runs into a barrage of self-righteous abuse from Lopez and exaggeration (Messrs Sylvo and Liam)

Self-righteous? Exaggeration? Well I'll leave Sylvo to tell you the story of his schoolboy experience with a highly excited SB officer while on his way to Ireland, next time you, Paul, Balti and the rest of your mates are down in Kilburn...just to ruin the evening. But then I suppose that's par for the course, occupational hazard, etc. etc. And what do you expect in a country that fits up a pre-pubescent boy as an international terrorist.

There's someone else here who needs to 'get real.' Sylvo makes an excellent point, unlike FPB, who doesn't understand what he's talking about. OK, he tars all the Scum as scum (as I've just done) - which is about as accurate or inaccurate as branding all Sinn Fein members as bombers (even the DUP recognised this with one member referring to Mitchell McLaughlin as 'the draft dodger') - but he adds that the Irish were all tarred as terrorists (he needed to also add 'thick' too) in the good ole 70s and 80s. While we are just stereotyping one part of a minority of a country, who incidentally were far from well behaved on their last visit to Ireland (did the IRA ceasefire have a bearing on this?), if people like the w*nkers who run the FSA and the Scum's other self-appointed 'spokesmen' spent more time on condemning their fellow countrymen hooligans rather than every police force in Europe, we might have a bit more respect.

But what did the Irish get? No it wasn't just the Shinners who were blanketly categorised. It was all of us. And not from a few tosspot magistrates and police but the neighbours and work 'mates' (sic.). The cartoonist Jak in the Evening Standard 1982, draws a cartoon describing as 'the latest in psychopathic horror', not the Provos or SF, but 'The Irish.' Two years later, John Junor (I won't grace this tit with the suffix that he received from Brenda) claimed in a MoS article that 'wouldn't you rather admit to being a pig than Irish?' not a Provo or a member of SF. Getting back to Master Maguire, and his Tory loving mother. I don't know what you made of this piece of 'justice' but with hindsight I'd say the message was clear. No Paddy was safe, not even the most Anglophilic. No wonder people sh*t themselves if their father was picked up by the police on the PTA. Next time they might see them is awaiting trial.

[max power]

Ahh, maybe it's old age, gut I've mellowed towards him ever since seeing a documentary earlier this year in which his mental illnesses were all too apparent. The poor man suffers from Tourette's syndrome and obsessive-compulsive disorder to name but two. No ****ing picnic, either one of them.

Yes, I was apoplectic about the flute-playing incidents at the time (quelle surprise? ) and yes, I hated him for it at the time, but hindsight is clear enough for me to see that Gascoigne is nothing more than a poorly-advised and seriously ill man.

I can't and won't condone or accept what he did to his wife and certainly won't use his illnesses as an excuse for this vile behaviour. However, the man could use a little compassion right now. I wish him all the best.

PP

i think someone else has started to suffer from a mental illness

[Closed Account 2]

Familiar with the scenario painted.....the Christy Moore incident last week sums up the br*t attitude...

Didnt hear about that. What happend to him ?

[Plastic Paddy]

i think someone else has started to suffer from a mental illness

For displaying a little compassion? I know, it's not exactly de rigeur in these parts, but there you go...

PP

[joeSoap]

Didnt hear about that. What happend to him ?

Christy was detained in Holyhead and seriously grilled by anti-terrorist police for a couple of hours. Christy foung this demeaning, and insulting for anyone to have considered him to be an ally of terrorism. Perhaps Christy should recant back to the good old days when he penned songs about the British Army, hatred for Thatcher and support for the 'cause' before he starts to wonder why people might think he's a sympathiser.

[joeSoap]

I suggest,that even the most gentle personality would harbour some mild residual grudge ,v.the br*t Establishment!

Agreed, but in Christys case, he's not a gentle personality. He has written songs about the British Establishment, condemning them and supporting revenge and retribution against them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking him, actually really enjoy him, but he can't expect to not get hassle or interrogation when he goes over there as a result of some of his lyrics.

[Plastic Paddy]

I suggest,that even the most gentle personality would harbour some mild residual grudge v.the br*t Establishment!

I think I answer to that description, reatively speaking, in these parts. As the veteran of over ten years' continuous stop-and-search or questioning when entering and leaving Holyhead/Fishguard in my teens and twenties (and being forced to miss several connecting trains in the process, in each case causing long and sometimes overnight waits in the middle of nowhere ), yes, I have to agree.

Some of the "welcoming committee" did their best to antagonise and provoke, questioning my choice of Irish citizenship and my political views, my reasons for travelling and other irrelevances. It's easy to see why otherwise mild-mannered people would become very angry. I know there's a part of me that still is angry at the treatment I received.

But we have to try and move on, don't we? Life's too short and we are better than that.

PP

[Peadar]

But we have to try and move on, don't we? Life's too short and we are better than that.

Exactly, PP.
Hopefully things have improved and will continue to improve.
Onwards and upwards.

[green goblin]

Aye,Got that t-shirt!Appreciate the last sentence......really boils down to the individual.....not sure I could wholly 'forgive & forget' ,goes against the grain!
Fair to say that such experiences create feelings of subliminal resentment minimum,v.the 'Establishment',clowns that they are!

The Fishguard route could be hassley, especially if you were hoping to get a nightboat. I always assumed that sounding very English would get me through without a grilling, but if you were a young man, then they'd want to know your business. And if you had musical intruments in your luggage, then you may as well had had a Stinger over your shoulder!
Heathrow could be as bad. Anyone notice how you have to walk about 2 miles down all those corridors, round the baggage, down to the holding area if you're going to Ireland? It's so they've got plenty of time to have a good look at who's getting on, and plenty of time to decide to pull you over.

[tiktok]

Heathrow could be as bad. Anyone notice how you have to walk about 2 miles down all those corridors, round the baggage, down to the holding area if you're going to Ireland? It's so they've got plenty of time to have a good look at who's getting on, and plenty of time to decide to pull you over.

Yeah. Have to agree with this, discussed it at length recently with friends. it smacks of penning us togeher in the farthest reaches of the airport where we're easily contained.