It's all down to UriOriginally Posted by seanfhear
Arter didn't head off go-karting by himself. The entire Bournemouth squad were taken go-karting by the club for team-bonding purposes: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ion-Dubai.html
I'm guessing that's Arter fifth from left?
Either way, I don't think it's a big deal and there's no reason for anyone to be assuming or suggesting that O'Neill will be demoting or punishing Arter as a result.
Going go-karting with his club doesn't mean that Arter would have been fit or ready to play against Wales and/or Iceland, nor is it some sort of proof that he wasn't otherwise undergoing club-supervised rehab whilst in Dubai. Rehab doesn't necessitate injured and recovering players devoting 24 hours a day to whatever their rehabilitation programme happens to be and Arter was hardly going to boycott a collective club activity or team-bonding exercise; in fact, spending 24 hours a day on rehab exercises would be to the player's detriment. As an experienced football manager, Martin O'Neill will obviously be fully aware of this.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 03/04/2017 at 1:20 AM.
Don't the players who assemble for the Irish squad usually have an afternoon off to play golf, or go paint balling, or whatever?
I'm not buying any "if he was fit enough for go-karting, he was fit to play for Ireland" argument either.
Indeed, I can't find any evidence that he was actually driving a kart. (Not that it would necessarily invalidate the injury/rehab assertion anyway even if there was.)
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 05/04/2017 at 10:56 AM.
Jesus Danny. Did you actually seek evidence that he karted?
Who cares (part from TOWK obviously) if he karted? Different muscles / activity type entirely. He plays for a rich football club with modern medical facilities and protocols and good medical staff. They should know what his rehab should and should not allow.
We can speculate whether Arter could have bust a gut to make himself available for Ireland but to me this looks much more like TOWK being scurrilous with his "Arter prefers a lads' jolly than playing for Ireland" insinuation. It looks like he's available for tonight's game but bear in mind the Wales game was 12 days ago. That's plenty of time for a strain to clear up. Usually a strain only means a short layoff. How often have we heard managers say "the game came just a day too early for him"?
Heh, not exactly. I was intrigued by the original claim that he was go-karting and by how it was (negatively) framed, so I did a quick Google search the other day and found out from one or two search results that it was a team-bonding exercise. When I say I haven't found any evidence, I just mean I didn't see any mention of Arter karting in the articles I read, nor did any of the articles' photos feature him actually sitting in a kart.
I fully agree with what you say though.
Not sure if you're aware, but Arter actually played the second half for Bournemouth against Southampton (and missed a penalty) last Sunday. He started on the bench. Not that that's some sort of indication that he was feigning (the seriousness of) his injury either, mind.It looks like he's available for tonight's game but bear in mind the Wales game was 12 days ago. That's plenty of time for a strain to clear up. Usually a strain only means a short layoff. How often have we heard managers say "the game came just a day too early for him"?
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 05/04/2017 at 3:16 PM.
Let's forget about the whole Wales argument. I think it is fairly certain that he couldn't play against Wales. It was said on the Monday before the game and no one had an issue with the news at that time, so those folks who are second guessing now are really splitting hairs. On a more positive note, Harry played at Anfield tonight and put in a pretty decent shift in a 2-2 draw against the Merseysiders. He's a tidy passer of the ball and can find a good through ball on occasion. Midfield options are beginning to permeate me head now for the Austria game - Arter, McCarthy, Hoolahan, O'Kane, Hendrick, Brady
You need a good engine for Go Karting.
Harry may be Go-Karting for the Austria game.....James McCarthy should try Go-Karting........it certainly helped get Harry fit.....
There were pictures on COWS of him go karting. I shared your surprise.
I personally think MON will have taken a dim view of the fact he didn't show more fight to feature against Wales and/or Iceland; at least present himself so we could inspect the injury.
Everyone I went to the match with shared the same opinion.
Silver clouds. O'Kane and Gleeson have done themselves favors.
If he was go-karting on cows, that's completely out of order. Particularly in a halal country.
What is COWS?
Are these COWS ?
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'Computers on Wheels' looks the most likely. Maybe Harry was on his laptop whilst setting course records, endangering himself even further.
Can I be a doubting Thomas and not believe it until I put my finger in the wound, or in this case see the hard evidence in the form of a photo. And even if he did, obviously Bournemouth didn't regard it as an issue
I am sure MON gave him permission not to show as he hardly didn't bother turning up without informing anyone. You are putting your thoughts in MON's head about Arter not showing "more fight to feature against Wales and/or Iceland". Try not view everything that Arter does from a negative point of view because you're not a fan. He's one of ours. Give him the benefit of the doubt.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Not everything is black and white. While I think Arter is overrated, I would still have him ahead of O'Kane and Gleeson in the team. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
I think the lad had a relatively minor injury. I don't think he handled things correctly. I think he should have followed protocol and reported for duty so we could be satisfied that he was in no condition to feature against Wales or Iceland; the same way Murphy and McCarthy did.
I would've thought go karting wouldn't have been high on his list of priorities in Dubai if he was struggling. Any road, there have been pictures circulating of him training all week.
It would be interesting to hear what MON or Keane have to say about it, but unfortunately it looks like nobody chose to grill them on it.
I've posted several comments from O'Neill re: McCarthy and Murphy that one could choose to interpret cryptically: "he's giving himself a chance,".
Looking at it from the lad's POV, he's 27 years old, he's approaching his peak, it took him almost a decade to reach the Championship and he's already missed portions of this season and last season.
He probably decided to cut his losses on this gathering, and I personally think it will affect O'Neill's thinking going forward.
The same way it has with Westwood and Pilkington, who I actually think O'Neill has been somewhat harsh on - though I do think Randolph is better than Westwood any road.
Any road? Watching a bit too much Corrie, Towk...
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