to counter that, Glen Crowe did not look at all out of place in his appearance v. Greece while he was still in the league and he was on a similar run of form to that currently being experienced by Maguire, with the added piece that Maguire offers far more in terms of mobility and has youth on his side (which wasn't the case with Crowe).
Related to your last sentence, you can speculate all you like but you don't know until you try. Somewhat related, we need to be giving our exceptional domestic players a) a chance and b) realize the positive effect that this will have on the domestic game and the club should that player then draw interest from clubs across the water. We should look at Coleman to Everton for 60k and all agree that we should do everything to prevent those sort of deals from happening. This sort of positive/active promotion of our exceptional domestic players would help a little in that regard.
Everyone looked out of place that night. Still one of the worst Irish matches I have ever had the displeasure to witness. Gack!
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I think it's a lack-of-courage/initiative thing as well. Martin O'Neill is quite cautious by nature, but, generally-speaking, if an Ireland manager decides to call up a League of Ireland player and the player is subsequently exposed as being way out of his depth on the international stage, the international manager may feel more vulnerable to criticism if he has gone out on a limb and taken the punt on the player all by himself.
On the other hand, if a League of Ireland player has just moved to England after an English-based manager has, for all to see, evidently placed faith in that player's ability and an Irish international manager then calls said player up, the international manager can sort of share culpability or the potential embarrassment if it doesn't work out. The international manager might feel he'll look less foolish in the eyes of his association, critics/pundits and supporters that way.
When it happens - a player getting called up as soon as he's off the plane in England - it's obviously great news for the player concerned, but it's also rather galling/frustrating that the international manager was perhaps just lazy or felt too fearful of trusting his own judgment and had to use a second manager's judgment/approval of the player as a sort of crutch or safety net.
I doubt Martin Oneill is too worried what the media or others think. Id be pretty sure he is confident enough in himself to make whatever calls he feels are necessary and justified.
At this time I doubt he feels Maguire is ready and/or good enough.
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This talk about the international manager being too worried to risk what others think is ridiculous. Surely he can call him up to his next squad of 55.... and watch him in training. Virtually nothing to lose. If he can't make his mind up if he is good enough after watching him in training then he shouldn't be in the job.
O'Neill had the perfect opportunity to introduce a red-hot Daryl Horgan (who was still at Dundalk at the time and who had been seriously impressing against top-class European opposition during weeks prior) in the 85th minute away to Austria when McClean signalled that he was having a fitness issue, but he instead chose to bring on McGeady (who, only recently before that, had returned from injury, if I remember correctly, and who had been out-of-form for about two years at the time anyway with his career seemingly on an abrupt downward spiral).
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Maybe so, although international managers have damageable egos too. And, whatever about pundits and fans, an international manager still ought to at least care about what the association, upon whom his job and livelihood depend, think of his performance and choices.
My theory about internationals managers possibly being fearful of taking a risk when other perceived "safer" options are available is actually somewhat based upon something I read in relation to the apparent reluctance of English clubs to employ black managers (on page 112 of Soccernomics [PDF] in the chapter on racial discrimination):
Obviously, League of Ireland players aren't suffering racial prejudice, but their ability is seemingly doubted until a manager from England decides (perhaps reassuringly for the international manager in charge) to put faith in their ability too. Only then, do the players seem to get recognition. In the case of Brian Lenihan who moved from Cork to Hull, he received a surprise call-up as soon as he stepped off the plane in England.Originally Posted by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski
Daryl Horgan and Andy Boyle were notable exceptions last season in being called into a final 23/28-man squad whilst still at Dundalk*, but, even then, as I pointed out above, O'Neill had an ideal opportunity to go one step further and hand the ridiculously-in-form Horgan his debut against Austria, but declined to do so. Horgan would have been the first League of Ireland player to feature in a competitive international for Ireland since Shamrock Rovers' Pat Byrne lined out against Denmark in 1985.
*I acknowledge Dundalk goalkeeper Gary Rogers also made squads to play Oman and Serbia last year, but he'd already been in and around the set-up for a while as a convenient training keeper (despite being error-prone and nowhere near the best keeper in the League of Ireland), we were very stretched in the back-up goalkeeping department and the position is a bit of an anomaly anyway.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 07/04/2017 at 8:41 AM.
I think McGeady was a better option to bring on in Vienna so I wouldn't agree that it was lack of courage or anything like that. Winning 1-0 he probably just wanted somebody who's calm in possession as Hoolahan had already gone off at that stage as well.
It was a pretty bold move by O'Neill to bring O'Dowda on in Moldova at 1-1 I felt, a player who had really only played in League 2, bar a handful of games at Bristol City at the time.
Even though I like the look of O'Dowda and think he will prove to be a good player for us in the future, he is incredibly lucky that the game against Belarus in Turner's Cross was so dour that he was the only talking point from the match. The buzz and chat about him being a bolter for the Euro squad demonstrated that.
MON is definitely a fan and that match was the makings of him I think. Not many others have been as lucky. That friendly was quite trivial in the scheme of things and O'Dowda benefitted from that. It was so trivial that Hendrick was utterly abysmal but went into be one of our best two or three players at the Euros.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 07/04/2017 at 9:15 AM.
I'm not sure being tried and tested for fifteen minutes against Belarus alters things much really.
Barnes' problems are more to do not being a good manager. He got his first job in charge of Celtic, and (after an admittedly promising start) was woeful at it. It's not a Premier League job, but at the time it was the second biggest job in Scotland. He didn't do much better at Tranmere.
I worded it in a bad way... I agree that he might be fearful... I just think it's ridiculous!
All he has to do is add any potential player to one of his ridiculously large training squads instead of another marginal player such as Gleeson and check them out. Noone is going to judge him for that and it would be far more beneficial.
Sure, he wasn't a good manager, but plenty of white coaches/trainers/managers/ex-players are repeatedly given jobs on the managerial merry-go-round (in significantly greater numbers proportionately compared to the number of their black counterparts who are given managerial roles) despite not being very good either. The theory (which is backed by data) is that the colour of their skin is an additional "impediment" or "handicap" to career progression for black coaches/trainers/managers/ex-players due to existing societal prejudices atop of what may be the bounds or frame of their abilities.
Maguire's goal against Derry last night to put Cork 3-0 up (see from 1m37s):
His eighth of the season out of eight games played.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 08/04/2017 at 1:16 PM.
According to a report in the Irish Daily Star, Maguire is to be called into the senior international squad for the friendly against Uruguay: http://www.punditarena.com/football/...endly-uruguay/
Originally Posted by Simon O'Keeffe
So, a report in the Star, that was copied by Pundit Arena (who have a dodgy reputation as it is) says he'll be included in a squad that won't be announced for at least a month, for a game that's a further month away.
Interview with him here after winning player of the month. He speaks about the possibility of an Ireland call up as well as his desire to play again in England or, perhaps interestingly, in Europe.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...le-447581.html
"'Time will tell if we decide to pursue it any more' - Preston boss on Seán Maguire": http://www.the42.ie/preston-boss-on-...60372-Apr2017/
Originally Posted by Paul Fennessy
According to Neil O'Riordan, Maguire has a buy-out clause of €150,000 in his contract, meaning he'll likely leave Cork in July if an interested club is willing to match that amount: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...-to-do-a-deal/
Originally Posted by Neil O'Riordan
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