They think it's all over......

**liam88** · 18/10/2004, 5:44 PM

Endgame?

Can see it happening myself
Though if the Conservatives get into power in ingurland next year might hit the rocks.....

**liam88** · 18/10/2004, 6:12 PM

Originally Posted by Conor74

When in power they have been pretty much the same as the Tories though.

Probably to young to be getting into this but Labour pulled off the GFA didn't they?
Major ceasfires, RIRA disbanding, no more soldiers being killed since Labour got in i guess.

**TheJamaicanP.M.** · 18/10/2004, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

Probably to young to be getting into this but Labour pulled off the GFA didn't they?
Major ceasfires, RIRA disbanding, no more soldiers being killed since Labour got in i guess.

Have to agree with you there Liam. A Labour government would certainly suit Ireland best. The Conservatives have a history of being a nuisance with regard to this country. John Major wasn't the worse, but I'd like to see Labour in power for the forseeable future.

**Macy** · 19/10/2004, 7:43 AM

Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

Have to agree with you there Liam. A Labour government would certainly suit Ireland best. The Conservatives have a history of being a nuisance with regard to this country. John Major wasn't the worse, but I'd like to see Labour in power for the forseeable future.

I'd love to see a Labour Government in power in the UK. We'll be a long time waiting with two sets of tory b�stards fighting it out.....

John Major did a hell of a lot of work, but ultimately wouldn't take the final step as he was relying on the UUP to prop up his Government. Personally I think he should've taken the final step, as he was always going to lose to El Presidiente anyway. History would've remembered him better.

**Peadar** · 19/10/2004, 8:00 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

History would've remembered him better.

He'll be forever remembered for his wonderful performances in the hit TV show, Spitting Image.

**sylvo** · 19/10/2004, 8:22 AM

[QUOTE=Conor74, remember a lot of stuff in the 80s when Red Ken was inviting Gerry Adams to London and Kevin Callaghan wanted the Birmingham 6 released etc. etc.

They were'nt acting on behalf of the labour party. Red Ken invited Gerry Adams off his own back while head of the GLC, likewise the campaign to free the Birmingham 6.

**joeSoap** · 19/10/2004, 8:24 AM

Sounds like a whole lot of spin to me...what odds on "talks breaking down" over the next few weeks because of gobdaws like Peter Robinson or Martin McGuinness

**Macy** · 19/10/2004, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

He'll be forever remembered for his wonderful performances in the hit TV show, Spitting Image.

"these peas are nice"

**Schumi** · 19/10/2004, 10:56 AM

A breakthrough in the Northern Ireland political process may be just weeks away, the secretary of state has said.

Three or four weeks probably.

**green goblin** · 19/10/2004, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

He'll be forever remembered for his wonderful performances in the hit TV show, Spitting Image.

Remember the one where he smoked a joint by mistake?
"Norma, the sky! It's full of colours! There's grey and... another grey. And a new, different sort of grey!"

Comedy aside, I'm crossing my fingers that we will get this sorted once and for all.

Lovely true story the book by Andrew Rawnsely on New Labour, where Gerry and Martin go to No 10. Sitting at the big table, Adams says "I suppose this is the table where Michael Collins sat downwith the government of the day".
"I suppose it is", says Blair. And there's a silence as everyone realises the enormity of the situation, and whereas before things were going so well, suddenly things are a bit awkward.
Quick as a flash, Mo Mowlem breaks the ice by quipping "And those are the french windows where the mortar came in through the garden", and everyone bursts out laughing. She was marvelous. Remember seeing the first time she got too hot and took her wig off at a press conference.

**dortie** · 19/10/2004, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by liam88

Probably to young to be getting into this but Labour pulled off the GFA didn't they?
Major ceasfires, RIRA disbanding, no more soldiers being killed since Labour got in i guess.

Labour were not Individually responsible for the Belfast Agreement.
And the RIRA are not disbanded.

**dortie** · 19/10/2004, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Sounds like a whole lot of spin to me...what odds on "talks breaking down" over the next few weeks because of gobdaws like Peter Robinson or Martin McGuinness

Dont think you can blame McGuinness for anything considering the DUP basically want to go back to gerrymandering.

**liam88** · 19/10/2004, 6:06 PM

Originally Posted by dortie

Labour were not Individually responsible for the Belfast Agreement.
And the RIRA are not disbanded.

Aye sorry for implying GFA was all Labour I know everyone, SF,FF etc. put a lot of hard work in.
What's the general view on SF from the Republic now?
Reading a book re. the RIRA and it states "those who wern't radical enough to join the IRA or Sinn Fein joined Finna Feil"-would this still be true?

sorry for any mistakes-just a young lad getting some knowledge from those a wee bit more experienced

**S�C** · 19/10/2004, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

"those who wern't radical enough to join the IRA or Sinn Fein joined Finna Feil"-would this still be true?

Depends what you mean by radical really.

Does radical mean killing unarmed members of An Garda? Then publically crying out for their release?

I consider myself very Republician.

That doesnt mean I turn to Semtex/AK-47/baseball bat when things dont go my way/I need a bit of cash/me and my vigo group suspect someone of drug dealing etc etc

Then again the FF Government involved in the GFA did a lot of very radical things, Articles 2&3 included in a effort to get pernment devolution in NI.

Once thats firmly in place its a slippery slope to a United Ireland

**liam88** · 19/10/2004, 8:56 PM

fair juice to ya SOC, cheers for the info-I agree with ya on the 'principals not the methods' front; well put.

**A face** · 19/10/2004, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by S�C

Then again the FF Government involved in the GFA did a lot of very radical things, Articles 2&3 included in a effort to get pernment devolution in NI.

Once thats firmly in place its a slippery slope to a United Ireland

I think FF should tell everyone about those very radical things .... they might win back some of the votes they lost to SF !!

**dortie** · 20/10/2004, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

Reading a book re. the RIRA and it states "those who wern't radical enough to join the IRA or Sinn Fein joined Finna Feil"-would this still be true?

The same principle exists today. FF steered its republican methods to constitutional politics, those who wished to continue the 'use of force' backed SF.
SF is now going down the route of constitutional politics and those against that are aligning themselves to the RIRA.

History repeating itself as it also did when the Official IRA went down the road of politics and the Provisionals continued with the 'use of force'.

**ccfcman** · 21/10/2004, 7:45 AM

how many times have we heard this though, ya we're feirce colse to a deal etc. im only 19 and for my whole life this is the bs ive heard from up north, what a joke.

**Peadar** · 21/10/2004, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by ccfcman

im only 19 and for my whole life this is the bs ive heard from up north, what a joke.

If you were a few years older you'd have grown up watching Today Tonight asking the same questions over and over. They had me convinced that we were heading for another civil war. Murder in Northern Ireland was a feature of every news programme.
Whatever about the stalemate we're seeing now, at least a lot less people are being killed.