Eff off!
I blame the bad spelling and grammar in the thread title for leading it so far off topic...
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Something nice and incendiary to get things back on topic: http://pogmogoal.com/the-blog-reel/g...ndwagon/15523/
A fair amount of bitterness there - a lot of it over-simplified and sanctimonious - but especially for the poor old Geography teacher!Originally Posted by Billy Keane
Paul, that's not what I was saying, you attacked DI for citing wikipedia (or indeed, making any sort of citation). I prefer documented and reviewed evidence to anecdotal evidence when you're trying to make a rational argument, as the latter is incredibly subjective. You say you know all about the symbolism of the poppy from living in the UK and being immersed in the culture. Well Stutts lives here too, and he takes different symbolism from it. I live here as well, have an English parent and dual nationality, I have a different interpretation again.
Yeah, but I don't live in Dollis Hill like Paul does
Since ye're all talking about poppies. Ray Houghton is the first person I've seen on Sky Sports not wearing one this year.
I read at college and learnt nothing, I worked for 2 years and learnt everything.
*Everything is relative to what i had been reading at college. I'm just saying that personally thats how I learn, I'm not saying if you learn through reading you don't learn, but definitely experiencing something learns you better, again in my opinion, than reading. Give me practical over theoretical anyday.
Stutts you could have saved a lot of needless posts had you said that earlier
Peadar I know your father is english and you live there, apologies I thought it was a veiled attempt to discredit my posts.
From personal experience the people I work with aren't the people I mix with. I meet people from all walks of life through various avenues, wrt to the poppy I'd say I've seen a lot of it.
DI, in Manchester would you see many South Asians wearing the poppy, be objective, bar maybe nepalese I mean?
Last edited by paul_oshea; 07/11/2013 at 4:21 PM.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
The one thing you don't seem to have learned is that your experience is not universal.
I see your point Paul, but citing stuff isn't really a conflict between practical and theoretical. Wikipedia is under constant review, and the people who edit the articles about the symbolism of the Celtic cross, for example, will be people who have experience, or at least have carried out research, into far-right culture. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about with regard to the poppy, clearly you do, even if I don't agree with your interpretations, but anyone can say whatever they want about their own subjective experiences. Giving sources and citations outside of that does give extra weight to what you're saying.
This thread is starting to get as bad as the eligibility thread!
Its really not that complicated!!!
I don't disagree with this, but actually i would put more weight to someone who appears to be leaning towards one way, but then perhaps cites through whatever means something that goes against that, what that shows to me is that they have formed an opinion, based on experience mostly, and thats what has given them their belief or altered it slightly. I'm probably not articulating myself well here, but history* for example is almost always stated from some subjective point, if you can find someone who gives an opinion based on experiences with counter arguments, then thats of more value than anything you read from anyone else. And i know yes this could be documented...
*history could be anything really.
CD - I have indeed learnt, but I just know that my experience has lead me to be objective enough and therefore the superiast **
** I know you textbook folk on here won't see that joke, so that is a joke and i know there is no such word for those pedantic textbook worms, which is most of you :P
Last edited by paul_oshea; 07/11/2013 at 5:00 PM.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
Who's that, tricky?
No, but that's the point, isn't it? They may view it differently to how those who do wear it view it. Some, naturally, may not have any feeling, ill or otherwise, towards the poppy at all.
Not sure if I'm reading you correctly - I'm more used to reading my text-books, obvs - but agnosticism, if you will, on any matter doesn't have to be seen as a weakness in light of a lack of evidence to justify taking a stance one way or the other beyond that lack of conviction on a particular subject. It's just an adherence to the principles of critical thought, simple logic and reason. I think it's a strength to be able to admit you just don't or can't know for certain the truth or otherwise of something beyond your own subjective perception.
Anyway, Martin's looking well!
I might think a lot of things about Keane, depending on the time of day, but him and Mon wearing the poppy is a non-issue and regardless whether they wear one in their own time or whether it was just stuck on their lapel without making a donation.
Would I wear a poppy if I was getting paid 200k and it was part of the uniform? I think so - I'd probably just do a De Valera.
I'd wear an Easter Lily no problem, I never had an issue with wearing one, though some other people had an issue with me wearing one. But I suppose the Easter Lily means different things to different people. I spent plenty of time travelling around Germany and especially in the villages you get a small insight into different aspects of the devastation effected in the world wars, in the war memorials that are usually to be seen in the village centre. A 2 horse village and a war memorial with some 2 or 3 hundred names and it's nice to see when it's well looked after. Some people can see a war memorial to dead soldiers as glorifying the war effort, some can see it as a living monument to an anti war sentiment and wanton destruction of a generation. The war memorial should be neutral, people can make out of it what they want from it, but it should be there.
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