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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    I'm always right I find.

    Re-iterate again for me what the point was, maybe utilising the Euro 2012 experience as an example...
    I'd normally pull you up for asking him to re-iterate something again, but then given Paul does tend to say the same thing over and over, he probably has re-iterated it before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    I'd normally pull you up for asking him to re-iterate something again, but then given Paul does tend to say the same thing over and over, he probably has re-iterated it before
    He has definitely pre-iterated it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    I'd normally pull you up for asking him to re-iterate something again, but then given Paul does tend to say the same thing over and over, he probably has re-iterated it before
    The commas should help the pedantry.

    In saying that, Paul needs to be asked again and again as I don't remember his declarations being that out of left-field.
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    I like that Fixer.

    I had said Bonnie, from watching him live around 2011 or so or maybe earlier, that the space he leaves which you didnt see on TV, he was getting caught out all the time, also from corners, from set pieces etc etc, his positioning was poor. I was being told on here by the usual posters who always thank a post going against my opinion or view on this forum that he wasnt that bad etc, i said he would be found out and was crap, i was right, as i was about forde, as i was about trap and his failings and many others unfortunately(you gots me on Seamie though he never gave away a penalty(s)!). Just because you saw it later doesn't mean i wasn't right from the start.

    DI, except I'd have pointed out the inswinger is of course more effective .

    I wish I had dodges ability, or should i say time to search posts in the past....to re-preiterate my post(s)
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    usual posters who always thank a post going against my opinion or view on this forum
    something you never do, of course.

    I do like re-preiterate though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    something you never do, of course.

    I do like re-preiterate though
    No, I agreed with CD :P
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    I'll give you three guesses which player's thread this is on the very first page of:
    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea
    Looks like we might have a real prospect for left full.

    How come this wasn't spotted when he spent time in Ireland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    DI, except I'd have pointed out the inswinger is of course more effective .
    You'd dismiss what you know from practical experience for once and trust the analytical research of a bunch of geeks? Well, I never!

    O'Neill on the Dundalk-Hajduk Split game and potential League of Ireland call-ups generally: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/..._140723_oneill

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    "I thought Dundalk actually played very well and that on the evening they were very unlucky," said O'Neill, speaking on Today FM.

    "There's no reason why this should not be a foundation for players to go and push on [to a higher level]."

    However, despite lauding the potential of the domestic scene, the Derry native suggested that players would need to feature at a "higher level" in order to cope with the rigours and expectations of international football.

    "There might be one or two [players] from the League of Ireland," said O'Neill.

    "But I think, obviously, the higher the level, the better chance you might have coping with international football."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    I'll give you three guesses which player's thread this is on the very first page of:
    I had been watching him on TV, obviously.

    I did post that on 21/12/2009, 9:43 AM. 2009, whereas i mentioned 2011 in my earlier post : )
    He was certainly a prospect, but thats all he ever was :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    They're using it as a stepping stone or else it just hasn't worked out for them elsewhere with injuries or whatever. Obviously LOI isn't a great level for aspiring international players to be at but it's no worse than plugging away in the SPL or League One.
    Except a lot more Irish internationals have come out of the SPL in the last decade or two...Not sure about Div.3 & the LOI, numbers probably on a par.
    Or they should be.

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    Is that the case though?

    From recent senior squads, McGeady, O'Dea, Stokes, Randolph, Daryl Murphy, McCarthy and Sammon would all have played in Scotland at some point. That's about seven at present. Am I missing any? Who else has played SPL over the past decade or two? In a bit of a rush to get back from my lunch, so can't really have a detailed look, but former Hibs keeper Nicky Colgan is jumping around in my head for some reason. He also played for Drogheda at one point, mind. I'm sure I'm missing some others...

    I can count at least twelve players from recent international squads who'd have played with League of Ireland clubs at some point; Forde, Long, Doyle, Sammon, Ward, McClean, Meyler, Brian Murphy, Coleman, Delaney, Daryl Murphy and Paddy Madden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    I can count at least twelve players from recent international squads who'd have played with League of Ireland clubs at some point
    The operative phrase. In some cases, years later.

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    Players are more likely to be playing in the SPL while getting a call up than the LOI though. The likes of Stokes, Mcgeady, O'Dea and Randolph have all been Irish players while playing in Scotland. It's been a while since a LOI player has been in a competitive squad.

    If a player's peak level is SPL then I think it's unlikely he'll be a major asset to Ireland unless he's a top player at a club like Celtic.

    The SPL is a good stepping stone for younger players though. So too is the LOI, but I think SPL is stronger, more professional etc. If I was MON I'd be more likely to look at a well performing SPL player than a well performing LOI player.
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    Tandolph, I love it. That has to be one of the best typos on here, or is that a faux-pas racist slur stutts?. So you're a racist now
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    FFS, Paul...

    And irony, much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Players are more likely to be playing in the SPL while getting a call up than the LOI though. The likes of Stokes, Mcgeady, O'Dea and Tandolph have all been Irish players while playing in Scotland. It's been a while since a LOI player has been in a competitive squad.

    If a player's peak level is SPL then I think it's unlikely he'll be a major asset to Ireland unless he's a top player at a club like Celtic.

    The SPL is a good stepping stone for younger players though. So too is the LOI, but I think SPL is stronger, more professional etc. If I was MON I'd be more likely to look at a well performing SPL player than a well performing LOI player.
    Can think of a few zealots who'd prefer to spontaneously combust rather than agree with your penultimate sentence...
    They're wrong of course.

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    The R & T are beside eachother AB, but perhaps its our good friends sub-concious breaking out there, I'm just suggesting.

    So you're a racist now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    If I was MON I'd be more likely to look at a well performing SPL player than a well performing LOI player.
    Definitely. They've proved themselves against a better quality of player.

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    So in your case then MON shouldn't bother looking at any LOI matches while he is over here and also before the English & Scottish leagues haven't even started yet.

    In comparison between the SPL and the LOI the difference is not really that big. Dundalk, Cork, Pats,possibly both rovers and Derry could easily hold their own in that league. To add no one playing in the SPL would get near to being an automatic starting XI in an Irish team. The major difference between the two is off the pitch where the Scottish set up is admittedly years ahead of the Irish one. That is the fault of the clubs themselves never batting an eyelid to invest in infrastructure or facilities.

    The likes of Richie Towell (Dlk), Sean Gannon (Dlk), Andy Boyle (Dlk), Horgan (Dlk), Hoban (Dlk), Chris Forrester (Pats), Conan Byrne (Pats), Lennihan (Cork), Patterson (Derry), McNamee (Derry) to name a few all have great careers ahead of them and could possibly be Irish Internationals with a bit of hard work and luck. No one is suggesting that they will get a call up while there are LOI players but the Irish manager should be attending the odd game or two while they are over in Ireland to help promote the top league in the country.
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