Beecher Networks - Web Development, Hosting & Domains
Page 116 of 128 FirstFirst ... 1666106114115116117118126 ... LastLast
Results 2,301 to 2,320 of 2541

Thread: Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

  1. #2301
    Capped Player DeLorean's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Hill Valley
    Posts
    10,894
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    4,418
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,280
    Thanked in
    2,081 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    The notion that the players wouldn't listen to Kenny is laughable. Most of the current squad haven't played a game in Europe whilst Kenny has managed a team there. Also he's an impressive and intelligent man when he speak. First impressions would be strong there. Lads that don't listen to him might be the same lads that allowed former Shams manager and his League One strikeforce press them to the hilt against NI.
    I don't think the players would deliberately snub Kenny, but maybe subconsciously he wouldn't command the instant respect of a bigger name. Whether our players have played European football or not isn't likely to matter too much, they play at a consistently higher level than the LOI, both in terms of publicity and actual standard, be it the PL or the Championship. I don't think it's unreasonable to fear the job would be too big for him, but it would be intriguing to find out.

  2. #2302
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,158
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    I don't think the players would deliberately snub Kenny, but maybe subconsciously he wouldn't command the instant respect of a bigger name.
    Yes this is precisely what I meant.
    In the same way some players may have subconsciously thought Kerr is used to managing kids, not senior internationals.

  3. #2303
    First Team
    Joined
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,370
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    12
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    287
    Thanked in
    174 Posts
    And where is the proof that Kerr wasn't able to command respect in the dressing room?

    Kerr got a rough run of it. First campaign, inherited a team that had lost their first two matches and their best player. Managed to turn things around but had some bad luck in the final match.

    Second campaign, missed out on playoffs by one point. In qualifier group with eventual World Cup finalists.

  4. #2304
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    2,504
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    21
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    626
    Thanked in
    479 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    And where is the proof that Kerr wasn't able to command respect in the dressing room?

    Kerr got a rough run of it. First campaign, inherited a team that had lost their first two matches and their best player. Managed to turn things around but had some bad luck in the final match.

    Second campaign, missed out on playoffs by one point. In qualifier group with eventual World Cup finalists.
    In one of the away qualifiers Kerr was shouting instructions to one of our players ( I actually think it might have been Kilbane believe it or not, but I'm not 100% sure tbh) and said player turned around and said
    " we know what were doing Brian" that's not professional respect

  5. #2305
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,158
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    Our performances with the players we had might suggest it.
    Throwing away two leads against Israel.
    Not performing against Switzerland when we really needed to.

    He didn’t have us motivated the way he was able to get the absolute best out of his youth teams.

  6. #2306
    First Team
    Joined
    Mar 2007
    Location
    NCR
    Posts
    1,636
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    32
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    254
    Thanked in
    130 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    And where is the proof that Kerr wasn't able to command respect in the dressing room?

    Kerr got a rough run of it. First campaign, inherited a team that had lost their first two matches and their best player. Managed to turn things around but had some bad luck in the final match.

    Second campaign, missed out on playoffs by one point. In qualifier group with eventual World Cup finalists.
    We didn't have bad luck in the final game, we were garbage away to the Swiss and lost 2-0 iirc. He had turned things around by winning the games he'd have been expected to win and got us into a position where two wins from our last two games would have qualified us. We got one draw.

    Second campaign if we'd won both games v Israel we'd have topped the group and we would have were it not for his tactical calls, particularly in the home game when he replaced Robbie Keane with Kavanagh after Keane picked up a first half knock instead of going like for like.

    When push came to shove and we needed results he couldn't deliver them. Bringing Roy Keane nack into the fold didn't pay off either, it p1ssed off a chunk of the squad and he wasn't the same player at that stage anyway plus was injured regularly.

    The time was right for him to go, the problem was who the FAI brought in to replace him.

    And I say all that as a Kerr fan.
    Irish Football Blog - A False First XI - http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/

    Twitter: @afalsefirstxi

    To Follow on Facebook go to:https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/

  7. Thanks From:


  8. #2307
    First Team
    Joined
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,370
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    12
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    287
    Thanked in
    174 Posts
    Bringing Roy Keane nack into the fold didn't pay off either, it p1ssed off a chunk of the squad and he wasn't the same player at that stage anyway plus was injured regularly.
    But is it Kerr's fault that he inherited a poisoned chalice? Keane did very good away to France where he played their midfield off the park.

    I am a fan of Kerr. I do think he could have done better. He made some strange tactical decisions such as playing Zinedine in central midfield, which smacks of not wanting to take a risk so much that you actually end up taking a risk by doing something silly like that.

    But people are saying he didn't have the respect of the players. When I saw Kerr's teams I didn't see a team where the manager had lost the dressing room.

  9. #2308
    Coach tetsujin1979's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Dublin, originally from Limerick
    Posts
    22,241
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,103
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4,992
    Thanked in
    3,286 Posts
    go back and watch the 0-0 game against Switzerland. I still remember Andy Reid walking off the pitch when he was substituted, like he just didn't want to be there any more
    All goals, yellow and red cards tweeted in real time on mastodon, BlueSky and facebook

  10. #2309
    Seasoned Pro
    Joined
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    2,504
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    21
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    626
    Thanked in
    479 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    go back and watch the 0-0 game against Switzerland. I still remember Andy Reid walking off the pitch when he was substituted, like he just didn't want to be there any more
    I was at that game. The fans had to roar at the players to get into the box for a last minute set piece we had. Its was horrendous to be there and see that

  11. #2310
    Coach tetsujin1979's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Dublin, originally from Limerick
    Posts
    22,241
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,103
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4,992
    Thanked in
    3,286 Posts
    So was I, South terrace behind the goal.

  12. #2311
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Diggs246 View Post
    In one of the away qualifiers Kerr was shouting instructions to one of our players ( I actually think it might have been Kilbane believe it or not, but I'm not 100% sure tbh) and said player turned around and said
    " we know what were doing Brian" that's not professional respect
    Total myth, absolute bull.
    The game was v Israel away, Kerr was actually roaring at Kilbane to get forward.

  13. #2312
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    But is it Kerr's fault that he inherited a poisoned chalice? Keane did very good away to France where he played their midfield off the park.

    I am a fan of Kerr. I do think he could have done better. He made some strange tactical decisions such as playing Zinedine in central midfield, which smacks of not wanting to take a risk so much that you actually end up taking a risk by doing something silly like that.

    But people are saying he didn't have the respect of the players. When I saw Kerr's teams I didn't see a team where the manager had lost the dressing room.
    Kerr had no problem to gain the respect of star players like Roy Keane and others. I doubt if Kenny would have any hassle with feeling he had to earn the respect of current 'star' players with the likes of Burnley. But there is a question how well Kenny would adapt, not everything he has touched has turned to gold. Certainly I'd welcome another season at Dundalk

  14. #2313
    International Prospect Razors left peg's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Just Another Emigrant
    Posts
    5,174
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,302
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,317
    Thanked in
    842 Posts
    Personally Id like to see Kenny have another go "Across the Water". Id have no doubt he would be sucessful, especially when you see what Paul Cook has done.

  15. #2314
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,158
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Total myth, absolute bull.
    The game was v Israel away, Kerr was actually roaring at Kilbane to get forward.
    Is that not pretty much what he said?

  16. Thanks From:


  17. #2315
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Fixer82 View Post
    Is that not pretty much what he said?
    Keane had made a forward surge, Kilbane did not follow up to give support, Keane lost the ball, Kerr gestured and shouted to Kilbane that he should have supported Keane. I'm pretty sure Kilbane did not turn around and say "we know what we are doing Brian". Other wild interpretations of Kerr's instruction to Kilbane was that he was exhorting him not to go forward, as in don't take risks. I'm sure Chris took notes and recorded the incident on his clipboard.

  18. Thanks From:


  19. #2316
    First Team
    Joined
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    1,370
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    12
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    287
    Thanked in
    174 Posts
    Routine is biting hard and ambitions are low. Resentment is riding high and emotions won't grow.

    Time for us to change our ways and for Martin and us to take different roads.

  20. Thanks From:


  21. #2317
    International Prospect CraftyToePoke's Avatar
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    5,322
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,278
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,313
    Thanked in
    847 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by brine3 View Post
    Routine is biting hard and ambitions are low. Resentment is riding high and emotions won't grow.

    Time for us to change our ways and for Martin and us to take different roads.
    Before we get torn apart.

    Again.

  22. Thanks From:


  23. #2318
    Seasoned Pro Fixer82's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Ceatharlach
    Posts
    3,092
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,158
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    831
    Thanked in
    575 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Keane had made a forward surge, Kilbane did not follow up to give support, Keane lost the ball, Kerr gestured and shouted to Kilbane that he should have supported Keane. I'm pretty sure Kilbane did not turn around and say "we know what we are doing Brian". Other wild interpretations of Kerr's instruction to Kilbane was that he was exhorting him not to go forward, as in don't take risks. I'm sure Chris took notes and recorded the incident on his clipboard.
    I see now what you were saying. Apologies

  24. Thanks From:


  25. #2319
    Capped Player
    Joined
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    15,261
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,726
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,794
    Thanked in
    1,912 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    go back and watch the 0-0 game against Switzerland. I still remember Andy Reid walking off the pitch when he was substituted, like he just didn't want to be there any more
    Therefore Andy was disgruntled with Kerr? That’s one hell of a stretch. The team put in a spirited performance that night, the Swiss matched our vigour and we lacked guile. The image of Kerr from that night was the frustratingly conservative Kerr, going like for like with poor subs, sticking with 2 upfront going into the last 15 mins.

  26. #2320
    Capped Player
    Joined
    May 2004
    Posts
    18,540
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    7,498
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4,698
    Thanked in
    2,681 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er View Post
    We didn't have bad luck in the final game, we were garbage away to the Swiss and lost 2-0 iirc. He had turned things around by winning the games he'd have been expected to win and got us into a position where two wins from our last two games would have qualified us. We got one draw.

    Second campaign if we'd won both games v Israel we'd have topped the group and we would have were it not for his tactical calls, particularly in the home game when he replaced Robbie Keane with Kavanagh after Keane picked up a first half knock instead of going like for like.

    When push came to shove and we needed results he couldn't deliver them. Bringing Roy Keane nack into the fold didn't pay off either, it p1ssed off a chunk of the squad and he wasn't the same player at that stage anyway plus was injured regularly.

    The time was right for him to go, the problem was who the FAI brought in to replace him.

    And I say all that as a Kerr fan.
    To this day I think Israel away and that late equaliser was a Sliding Doors moment in Irish football.

    I thought we were unlucky at home to Israel and their cnut of a goalkeeper.

    I don't think we were remotely unlucky at home to the Swiss. Harte missed an early sitter but that was it from then on. The Swiss players' body language said it all. Despite it being a perfect result for them they were disappointed. And Kerr took off Keane in that game when we needed a goal.

    I love Kerr but despite any hard evidence all the talk was that he wasn't working well with the dressing room.

  27. Thanks From:


Similar Threads

  1. Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane involved in car crash!!!
    By tricky_colour in forum Ireland
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 14/06/2015, 9:34 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •