shocking racial taunts at spain v england

[the 12 th man]

i have to say i thought we'd moved on from this kind of thing.

anyone who heard last nights abuse of the coloured players on the english team could'nt help but be moved by it.

it spoiled the match.fcucking disgraceful

[Dublin12]

Disgraceful and I thought the Spanish were better than that,shame on them

[Colm55]

The spanish have always been a bit like that, In the 98 world cup when they played Nigeria and the nigerians won 4 -1 (well i think it was nigeria, defo an african team) the crowd were shouting those taunts as well, so they.ve done it before, its a disgrace and the something has to be done

[Dublin12]

Funny you mention Nigeria,when they were playing Ivory Coast recently the Nigerian fans were making pig grunts everytime the white Ivory Coast players touched the ball,strange world we live in.

[liam88]

When I first switched on it was 1-0....then all this kicked off and I would have gladly given my weeks wages for Sean Wright-Phillips to score

It was a total disgrace....in fairness to England their racism is USUALLY confined to domestic games there days and gone are the days where England fans were caged it at their international matches and black or asian people wern't welcome in the crowd......Spain need to clear their act up!
My dad had to stop going to see Crystal Palace during the seventies because he is Asian and it just got too dangerous....that's pretty much all gone now Thank God and apart from a few gangs of idiots English football has become more about the game both domestically and internationally....think England's international following cleared up their act about 98

Hopefully FIFA will come down really hard on the Spanish 'fans' who gave this sickening abuse at both last nights game and the U21 matches.....think the commentator summed it up well.......

"It's pathetic really......it's tiring, it's unecessary and it's really really out of order"

[Dotsy]

AGREED;Though didn't spoil the match......that was pish anyway!Now the Spaniards should be Fined for this.....Booing is one thing;'monkey noises'another.....

Mind you,Unimpressed by the startling Hypocrisy of the Br*t establishment......they certainly never highlighted this when this was T*n fans,or happening in domestic club football....T*ssers
And their 'fanbase' still includes some of the worst fascists in Europe....'monkey noises' are small beer to them!

I honestly don't see how the British Establishment is been hypocritical. Any right thinking person is duty bound to critisise this type of behaviour. Should the British ignore it because it was once common in English soccer? The FA may have ignored it at one time but at least they have made attempts to face up to it in the last twenty years. As far as I know it doesn't happen at English grounds anymore. Agree that a minority of English fans are hooligans of the worst type but again at least the FA have tried to clean up their act and seem to have been pretty succesful in the grounds themselves. I think it's pretty hard to control fans outside grounds and to stop them travelling abroad if they are determined enough.

I was hoping Wright Philips would score last night just to sicked the racist sh*tes.

[colster]

AGREED; Mind you,Unimpressed by the startling Hypocrisy of the Br*t establishment......they certainly never highlighted this when this was T*n fans,or happening in domestic club football....T*ssers
And their 'fanbase' still includes some of the worst fascists in Europe....'monkey noises' are small beer to them!

I thought the behaviour of the Spanish fans was despicable. What they did was wrong regardless of who they were playing.
The English have in the past shown the same mentality but that's in the past. They've done a huge amount to address the problems they have had and been on balance successful in eradicating it from their game.

[Bowsy]

When I first switched on it was 1-0....then all this kicked off and I would have gladly given my weeks wages for Sean Wright-Phillips to score

Me too. Probably first and only time I would will an England player to score just to stick it to them. Absolutely disgusting.

No matter what their fans past is the English FA have a right to be outraged. They have done a commendable job at kicking most of these morons out of the English game and other nations with similar problems (Spain, Slovakia, Holland notable examples in recent times) need to follow suit.

[lopez]

Sure it wasn't the Scum doing the monkey noises? Sort of their style - remember Terry Last, my old flight companion back after the 1990 Tans game and well known Chelsea w*nker, telling the meeja after the Tans 2-0 victory over Brazil that as far as he was concerned the game was 1-0 because John Barnes scored a goal. It's just funny how this sort of thing is never heard on Sky's Spanish Liga coverage, despite every team in Spain having its fair share of Blacks. Be looking at the Real-Barca game this weekend with added interest to see if this is a new fashion.

Agree with you Davros: The hypocracy stinks both in the Tan press and here too. There's racism in Ireland, Britain and Europe all the time but because someone reads it in The Scum or one of the other propaganda rags that the Irish devour every day, it finally merits a thread on here.

[Bowsy]

Agree with you Davros: The hypocracy stinks both in the Tan press and here too. There's racism in Ireland, Britain and Europe all the time but because someone reads it in The Scum or one of the other propaganda rags that the Irish devour every day, it finally merits a thread on here.

It has always existed therefore it doesn't merit discussion? Ah sure let them make monkey noises, they are probably English anyway!!! Such rubbish. A large element of Spanish fans made monkey noises last night and at the under 21 game. It needs to be called to account.

[Dotsy]

I don't doubt that there are racists in England, Ireland and elsewhere in Europe who call themselves football fans. Racism exists everywhere. What I found particularly worrying at the game last night is it sounded like more than just a few ignorant people and it continued throughout the game. In fact it got worse as the game went on. While I am sure it was a minority of the Spanish fans the stewards and police obviously didn't do much to stop it (or maybe it wasn't possible due to the numbers involved).

[Bowsy]

OK,Let's phrase this so it can be understood;What the Nazi-wannabes & pals from the the Fascist Ultra-Sur did was disgusting & repulsive,as has happened in E.Europe frequently......however
English fans have been far far worse(& their press only highlight it,when it suits them-W*nkers!)....only their Kraut cousins come close for real Rascism!They have verbally & physically assaulted normal members of the populace on their travels(not cosseted footballers),often in their own country,FFS!

Now that's rascism.....if the mutant f*cks from here went to Ireland unchecked,there'd be in Anarchy inside Croker......Deplorable though those 'monkey noises' are,think I know which I'd 'prefer'.......
UEFA/FIFA have done f*ck all about this.....Eng.& Turkey should have been thrown out years ago!

Eng.fans are improving,but from a very low base....another generation or two,before you get rid of that aggression & conceit,if ever from their worst type of citizens........

I don't read British gutter press and what they say is of no consequence to me. Perhaps I'm being naïve but it's a very long time since I have attended a game in England were I've heard anything like that. In fact I'm lucky enough to be too young to have ever sat through a match in the bad old days. Of course yobs and racists exist in England but there is a concerted effort to keep them out of football. Every country should be made accountable for their fans as that is the only way to make them effect change. Just because England fans have sinned doesn't mean people like SWP should have to suffer that. Leave the situation alone and you are sending out a very bad message. The fact England have got off in the past is no excuse to stick your head in the ground.

Also I am yet to hear of any condemning comments from Aragones, Raul or anybody from the Spanish camp which is disappointing.

[Roo69]

i have to say i thought we'd moved on from this kind of thing.

anyone who heard last nights abuse of the coloured players on the english team could'nt help but be moved by it.

it spoiled the match.fcucking disgraceful

Just on a side note, this is kind of also considered un-PC, from friends of mine who are black, they prefered to be called black instead of coloured

[WeAreRovers]

While what happened last night was despicable and disgusting it needs some context. Read Sid Lowe's piece in yesterday's Guardian for the reasons why the Spanish haven't condemned Aragones' comments.

Also the Spanish were highly insulted at the British media's reaction to Aragones comments and a lot of last night's stupidity was down to a desire to wind up the English and expose their hypocrisy.

As Aragones said - we all remember where racism comes from and we all remember the colonies. John Motson hand wringing was cringeworthy in the light of him ignoring the English scum's behaviour in grounds around the world for the last 25 years.

Don't forget we're talking about a country and a media which is hounding Frank McLintock because he used the name of a film with a non PC title.

And bring back Big Ron!!!

KOH

[Bowsy]

Where has anyone here said they should get away with this......please read posts in full!

Apologies Davros. Just re-read your post. I blame your "unique" writing style.

[Éanna]

It was a total disgrace....in fairness to England their racism is USUALLY confined to domestic games there days and gone are the days where England fans were caged it at their international matches and black or asian people wern't welcome in the crowd......Spain need to clear their act up!

there's no in fairness about it at all. wherever it happens and whoever does it, its disgusting and wrong. The problem in Spain is that you have right wing ultras groups like the Ultras Sur, Boixos Nois and the Frente Atletico (and many more) who are actively helped by the clubs- e.g. the Ultras Sur at Real: some of their leaders would be on very friendly terms with the establishment at Real, and their section of the ground was rebuilt by the club to suit them, so they could make more noise. I remember when Freddy Rincon signed for Real in the mid 90's, he was only the 4th black player in the club's history and he was driven out by these scum- there were things like "blacks out" and swastikas daubed on the wall of the Bernabéu the day he signed. Real have improved, but driving these filth out of the ground completely is the only solution. Its massive problem in Spanish football, and there's no quick fix.

[WeAreRovers]

I'd be interested to see how the usual suspects will relate this back to the 'T*ns', the English media, the tabloids etc. etc.

I take it that's aimed at me among others?

No one denies the existence of scummy, right wing, racist Ultra groups in Spain (esp Ultras Sur) all I'm saying is that I doubt that the racist crap last night would have been so pronounced if it hadn't been for the English hysteria beforehand. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

KOH

[Dublin12]

Eriksson should've had the balls to take his team off the park,afteral it was only a friendly,some sort of statement like that has to be made,it's no use fining the FA's,these morons don't give a toss,they'll just do it again.

[wws]

And bring back Big Ron!!!

KOH

Big Ron is alive and kicking (and giving the best punditry of his life! on George Hooks show on newstalk)

he does a laid back three blokes shooting the breeze and havin a laugh about football with giles and hook - its actually really good - 'lets just stop all the racist whosaiddit stuff and get down to the interesting stuff "like why i fell out with frank stapleton and other stories'

priceless banter about his time as unitred boss

[KR's Post]

I know it was disgraceful and shouldn't have been done but how many times did the commentator on BBC mention it. Motson i think!!! Just made people think of it more than rather concentrating on watching the match. If it was me being taunted i would have walked off the pitch. Spanish are a disgrace........ Should be fined heavily!!! Maybe a points deduction