A 7-team league First Division Next Year

**disgruntled** · 19/12/2013, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

No point in asking when there are no other viable clubs who have shown an interest previously. I'm sure they are not being excluded from applying if they so choose.

Now to move away from your hypothetical grievance can you come up with a club who would be capable of fielding a second team in the first division and interested in doing so?

Doubt it.

In the meantime continue your moral crusade if you wish. Enjoy your negative pointless argument about not being invited to something the other clubs couldn't and wouldn't want to do in the first place.

I've spent enough time on this point - I was always told there is no point trying to teach someone who hasn't the capacity to learn.

Back on topic......

8 teams good. Reserve teams? Time will tell - hopefully the rules don't interfere with the 'sporting integrity' of the division.

I've spent enough time on this point - I was always told there is no point trying to teach someone who hasn't the capacity to learn.

Just like Galway & countless other League of Ireland clubs have learned over the years

Thanks for answering the questions. I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything less.
Why don't you just admit it?
You're just winging it.
Bluff will only get you so far.Eventually you get called on it.

'sporting integrity' of the division"
What a load of old bull. You speak like an FAI official or a politician who knows about as much about integrity as a government minister.

I wish Galway the best for the coming season but I hope they have a better idea of what�s involved than you, otherwise they'll soon be pleading for help again
As a matter of interest where did you get the figure of �200k from or is that another question you're not prepared to answer?

**galwayhoop** · 19/12/2013, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by disgruntled

I've spent enough time on this point - I was always told there is no point trying to teach someone who hasn't the capacity to learn.

Just like Galway & countless other League of Ireland clubs have learned over the years

Thanks for answering the questions. I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything less.
Why don't you just admit it?
You're just winging it.
Bluff will only get you so far.Eventually you get called on it.

Have I not answered your question countless times??? There are no other interested clubs. None who who could afford it anyway. One was picked who could and was interested. Nothing like a Cork man for the persecution complex though I suppose.

Can you answer my question? Name a club other than Rovers who is interested????????????????

Seriously, just one. Go on. Please. For Christmas???

**galwayhoop** · 19/12/2013, 12:24 PM

As for the �200k, on GUST's forum there was a projected figure of �180k for all part-time players on expenses. I think the quote was it cost �180k to finish bottom of the division. I added on �20k for higher wages and more travel (i.e. there were going to be 3 Galway teams if successful).

As for Rovers �80k?? Pfff. They do realise the league entry cost, geographical spread of the division (ie travel costs) - there isn't too many Dublin trips. Twice the players, coaches and training costs. Negligible attendance income (do they pay rent when they use Tallaght??) and small if any sponsorship.

Give it a year or two max and they will drop out. There won't be a que of other clubs either - despite the musings of some on here.

**galwayhoop** · 19/12/2013, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by disgruntled

'sporting integrity' of the division"
What a load of old bull. You speak like an FAI official or a politician who knows about as much about integrity as a government minister.

The reason for the quotation marks was to signify they are not the original words of the author.

The phrase was used to imply the hope that the FAI are keeping the integrity of the division intact by providing correct rules and restrictions for the 'B' team - re: player registration and movement particularly. They (and other sporting bodies) often refer to 'sporting integrity' when reprimanding participants. It was a subtle use of the phrase to avoid a long winded explaination....

but sure if I have to explain it.....

**Bawnville Hoop** · 19/12/2013, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

As for the �200k, on GUST's forum there was a projected figure of �180k for all part-time players on expenses. I think the quote was it cost �180k to finish bottom of the division. I added on �20k for higher wages and more travel (i.e. there were going to be 3 Galway teams if successful).

As for Rovers �80k?? Pfff. They do realise the league entry cost, geographical spread of the division (ie travel costs) - there isn't too many Dublin trips. Twice the players, coaches and training costs. Negligible attendance income (do they pay rent when they use Tallaght??) and small if any sponsorship.

Give it a year or two max and they will drop out. There won't be a que of other clubs either - despite the musings of some on here.

League entry cost if any for us would be in that 80k. As for travel, we only have 12 trips outside Dublin.

How is it twice the players? The majority of our Under 19's + 3-4 Senior players are there already.

As for coaches and training costs Shane Robinson and Colin Hawkins already have the rolls there and I'm sure the rest of the Under 19 coaching staff will make it up. As for training costs again the Under 19's current setup is perfect.

The games are free in for ST holders after that even 200 paying 10 euro on average would go a long way. The 2 games home to Shelbourne will no doubt attract a crowd near to 1000 I will imagine.

I think our current sponsorship well covers both teams with the papers reporting it to be in the region of 750k over 3 years.

Plan is to have a team of young players to develop correctly for the first team, compensation costs do not come cheap if they are sold at 19/20 being at the club for so many years so that in itself could cover the costs.

**Sam_Heggy** · 19/12/2013, 1:43 PM

Is this the perfect topic (seeing as the dumbass thread is gone) to illustrate Dodge's point that most, if not all, League of Ireland message board user are completely bonkers?

**Dodge** · 19/12/2013, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bawnville Hoop

I think our current sponsorship well covers both teams with the papers reporting it to be in the region of 750k over 3 years.

It's 220k, rising to close ot double that based on incentives. Even with the warrior cash, it's not close to 750k over 3 years

**galwayhoop** · 19/12/2013, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Is this the perfect topic (seeing as the dumbass thread is gone) to illustrate Dodge's point that most, if not all, League of Ireland message board user are completely bonkers?

In a word, yes.

[tips hat and disappears into the distance]

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/12/2013, 1:44 AM

Shamrock Rovers' media puppets in the Indo have confirmed there will be a B team in next year's First Division, with a side also competing at U19 level: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29854424.html

Can you smell the favouritism? It's disgusting.

**bluewhitearmy** · 20/12/2013, 1:56 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Shamrock Rovers' media puppets in the Indo have confirmed there will be a B team in next year's First Division, with a side also competing at U19 level: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29854424.html

Can you smell the favouritism? It's disgusting.

Suppose your 19s will be allowed to play home games and all? Typical all to suit ye.

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/12/2013, 1:59 AM

Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Suppose your 19s will be allowed to play home games and all? Typical all to suit ye.

Assuming the Sunday games is due to the fact the U19s play on Saturdays. Could be a bit of a strain on the Tallaght surface, having 1.5 league games a week for most of the season.

**bluewhitearmy** · 20/12/2013, 2:04 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Assuming the Sunday games is due to the fact the U19s play on Saturdays. Could be a bit of a strain on the Tallaght surface, having 1.5 league games a week for most of the season.

That will be a strain squad wise too with the 19s playing the day before. Best of the 19s solely play for the B team maybe.

**Charlie Darwin** · 20/12/2013, 3:00 AM

Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

That will be a strain squad wise too with the 19s playing the day before. Best of the 19s solely play for the B team maybe.

The plan seems to be to recruit aggressively at U19 level with the carrot of a move to FD level and then the first team, instead of the system we have now where there's a gulf between U19s and the senior team, and the best U19s have to be sent to Longford.

**Longfordian** · 20/12/2013, 7:53 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

The plan seems to be to recruit aggressively at U19 level with the carrot of a move to FD level and then the first team, instead of the system we have now where there's a gulf between U19s and the senior team, and the best U19s have to be sent to Longford.

The Coventry of the LOI.

**disgruntled** · 20/12/2013, 8:08 AM

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

Have I not answered your question countless times??? There are no other interested clubs. None who who could afford it anyway. One was picked who could and was interested. Nothing like a Cork man for the persecution complex though I suppose.

Can you answer my question? Name a club other than Rovers who is interested????????????????

Seriously, just one. Go on. Please. For Christmas???

You still don't get it, do you ?
I'm talking about being ASKED in the first place.
I can think of four clubs who would be capable of fielding a second team.
Rovers, Cork City. Sligo & Pats.
Whether they would be interested or not is not my point.
My point is that three of those four were never given the option, were they ?

Oh & Merry Christmas to you.

**disgruntled** · 20/12/2013, 8:12 AM

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

As for the �200k, on GUST's forum there was a projected figure of �180k for all part-time players on expenses. I think the quote was it cost �180k to finish bottom of the division. I added on �20k for higher wages and more travel (i.e. there were going to be 3 Galway teams if successful).

As for Rovers �80k?? Pfff. They do realise the league entry cost, geographical spread of the division (ie travel costs) - there isn't too many Dublin trips. Twice the players, coaches and training costs. Negligible attendance income (do they pay rent when they use Tallaght??) and small if any sponsorship.

Give it a year or two max and they will drop out. There won't be a que of other clubs either - despite the musings of some on here.

Those figures are for a complete club.
We're talking about an extra team here where the club structures are already in place.

"Give it a year or two max and they will drop out"
Does that include Galway ?

**disgruntled** · 20/12/2013, 8:15 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Shamrock Rovers' media puppets in the Indo have confirmed there will be a B team in next year's First Division, with a side also competing at U19 level: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29854424.html

Can you smell the favouritism? It's disgusting.

That report is a bit short on detail.
A bit thin on specifics, fees, number of players etc.
I would be nice to hear a bit more of the detail.

**Nesta99** · 20/12/2013, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Could be a bit of a strain on the Tallaght surface, having 1.5 league games a week for most of the season.

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**atfconline** · 20/12/2013, 12:06 PM

FAI Press Release

Shamrock Rovers to field second team in 2014 Airtricity League First Division

The Football Association of Ireland has agreed to allow Airtricity League Premier Division club Shamrock Rovers field a second team in the 2014 First Division.

Following the decision of Mervue United and Salthill Devon to withdraw from the First Division in favour of a new Galway entity, the FAI sought expressions of interest and received several applications, all of which received due consideration.

The decision to allow Shamrock Rovers enter a second team follows a period of discussion between the Association and the club to iron out the obvious issues that occur when a club has teams in the Premier and First Divisions.

The parameters which will apply to Shamrock Rovers include:
� The First Division team will not be eligible for promotion or the play-offs.
� Shamrock Rovers will play the full First Division affiliation fee.
� The First Division team will not be allowed to enter the EA SPORTS Cup or the FAI Ford Cup.
� Disciplinary sanctions imposed on Shamrock Rovers players will apply to both teams.
� From their Premier Division squad, Shamrock Rovers will be permitted to play a maximum of three outfield players and a goalkeeper in First Division fixtures.

Fran Gavin, Director of the Airtricity League stated: “This is the first time that we have allowed a club to field a second team in a lower division of the League. However, it is not unusual in a European context as this is the norm in countries such Spain, Germany, France, Norway, Holland, Switzerland and Portugal. It was an idea that came from the club and once they embraced the parameters we required them to operate within we approved the application.”

Subject to all clubs receiving licences, the 2014 First Division will consist of the following eight clubs: Cobh Ramblers, Finn Harps, Galway, Longford Town, Shamrock Rovers, Shelbourne, Waterford United and Wexford Youths.

Shamrock Rovers will continue to field a team in the Airtricity U19 League.

ENDS