Ireland V Germany(A) 11th October & Kazakhstan(H) 15th October 2013 - World Cup '14 Q

**osarusan** · 16/10/2013, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

but the way O'Donoghue went about it was uncalled for.

What was the way he went about it?

**BonnieShels** · 16/10/2013, 9:37 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Stokes played that position against Barcelona recently, so King was right to point that out. I haven't seen much of Wolves lately, so I can't comment on where Doyle has played for them. I didn't particularly agree with either decision, and leaving Doyle on for the 90 minutes was baffling, but the way O'Donoghue went about it was uncalled for. He's been getting away with that line of questioning with Trapattoni (who's English is poor) since Poland, and when he tried it on with someone who could match him verbally, and with superior knowledge of the game, he was caught out badly. He has no sympathy from me.
Dunphy's line about Trapttoni being a gentleman in interviews was particularly galling, after the criticism he's been getting from the panel for his responses in interviews during his reign.

Maybe Tets eloquence is more to your liking Osa?

Originally Posted by osarusan

What exactly did he 'try'?

Did you see the interview?

**BonnieShels** · 16/10/2013, 9:38 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

What was the way he went about it?

Watch the video!

**ifk101** · 16/10/2013, 9:44 AM

Tony O'D said as follows "we had more possession but in terms of penetration ... " to which King laughs. He then asks about players being played out of position (valid imo) to which King goes all defensive. Nothing wrong with the questions asked or how they were asked.

**osarusan** · 16/10/2013, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Watch the video!

I've watched it. I didn't see anything I considered him 'trying' anything. What did you see?

**geysir** · 16/10/2013, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

King rammed the point home that Stokes and Doyle have played those roles before. But failed to acknowledge that Stokes played the role in failed moves to Sunderland, Palace and Sheffield ( I haven't seen him for Celtic) and Doyle has played for Reading latterly and now Wolves as they plummet. It's hardly a ringing endorsement to counter the question put to him by TO'D, when you consider McGeady wasn't started. Much like his "Glenn Whelan played that role at school boy level" answer the other night. Context is important in light of those omitted, I would think.

I was away with work in the UK so only saw the match with no commentary. Didn't see the RTE guff.

Wing back might be Colemans best position with us play 3 at the back. I think he's going to be one of those players that will have a moment like that every so often.

I think King's point was that Stokes had played in that position for Celtic and also in a game that the panel were supposed to have watched and analysed. Stokes is no stranger to attacking play from the left side. Not like a winger though, more like the player on the left of the 3.

**BonnieShels** · 16/10/2013, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

I've watched it. I didn't see anything I considered him 'trying' anything. What did you see?

TOD straight off the bat was gunning for something with Noel. And Noel reacted in a manner which might be perceived as childish I thought was forceful and to the point. Not as eloquent as you could want but FFS we had to deal with Trap talking about "mentaleetae" for 5 years. Hardly Stephen Fry.

**BonnieShels** · 16/10/2013, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

I think King's point was that Stokes had played in that position for Celtic and also in a game that the panel were supposed to have watched and analysed. Stokes is no stranger to attacking play from the left side. Not like a winger though, more like the player on the left of the 3.

And he was right to bring that up.

**osarusan** · 16/10/2013, 9:56 AM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

TOD straight off the bat was gunning for something with Noel.

"Noel King is with me. noel, you're unbeaten at home as Ireland manager. How was that for you?"

Gunning for him straight off the bat.

**geysir** · 16/10/2013, 9:57 AM

We kinda knew things were gonna go belly up without the tranquilising effect of Manuela at the post match sideline interview.

**BonnieShels** · 16/10/2013, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

"Noel King is with me. noel, you're unbeaten at home as Ireland manager. How was that for you?"

Gunning for him straight off the bat.

Give over.

**shakermaker1982** · 16/10/2013, 10:01 AM

I don't think there was anything wrong with the TOD interview. King was just reacting to Dunphy and co and unfortunately TOD was the closest RTE employee near him at the time. I'd have preferred it if King grabbed the mike looked directly into the camera and said 'I'm coming for you DUNPHY"!!!

**osarusan** · 16/10/2013, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Give over.

he jokes about King's unbeaten record (King laughs too), asks a question about conceding an early goal, and tries to raise an issue about a lack of penetration. Where exactly was he gunning for him and trying it on?

Or does your 'give over' imply that you can't/won't back up your points?

**punkrocket** · 16/10/2013, 10:29 AM

As far as being part of the manager's job to deal with the press I don't think we should get too worked up about it. As long as he is winning games that's enough for me. Fergie didn't talk to the BBC for year's but did all right with the real part of the job.

**Grafter** · 16/10/2013, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by dong

Eoin McDevitt should be brought in as the main host as he actually understands football and wouldn't be afraid of the two lads.

Well that's the future we hope for, McDevitt as anchor and Early as some sort touchline philosopher.... however there's no doubt that Maloney has long been assumed the O' Herlihy successor...While we are on the point of O' Herlihy, I've never fallen for the big "love-in" in terms of his presenting. If Dunphy said something so and so is rubbish you'd hear Bill chirping in agreement. Bill should be objective which he isn't for the most part when framing questions.... anyways won't have to put up with it for much longer I suppose.

**BonnieShels** · 16/10/2013, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

he jokes about King's unbeaten record (King laughs too), asks a question about conceding an early goal, and tries to raise an issue about a lack of penetration. Where exactly was he gunning for him and trying it on?

Or does your 'give over' imply that you can't/won't back up your points?

It "implies" that I'm in the office and I can't look over the clip again like you.
If someone would like to give me a transcript that would be lovely. You seem to be doing f*** all else and are so determined to keep this up I think you should do it in order to continue this wonderful thought provoking debate about whether TOD is a gormless troll or not.

On my viewing last night I felt that TOD was gunning for some reaction and he got one. Just not the one he wanted. The tone and the delivery of what he said were clear to all of us who aren't deaf that he was being facetious and purposely provocative as he has been for months.

I don't think there is anything wrong with asking hard questions but to go at a guy who was in charge for two games at the end of a pox of a campaign is ridiculous. Don Givens never got this much bile aimed at him and he's a muppet of the highest order.

**Grafter** · 16/10/2013, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by back of the net

A bit of a silly reaction by King.....but O'Donughue has become a sh*t stirrer of a journalist imo.

T O' D was terribly vindictive towards Trap at times.... I think he started the interview after 6-1 Germany game with "are you going to resign". A total cynical wolf in sheep's clothing.

**geysir** · 16/10/2013, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

he jokes about King's unbeaten record (King laughs too), asks a question about conceding an early goal, and tries to raise an issue about a lack of penetration. Where exactly was he gunning for him and trying it on?

Or does your 'give over' imply that you can't/won't back up your points?

Bonnie no doubt can speak for himself

Tony couldn't wait for King to shut up talking about the game/tactics and get to the question he wanted to ask about penetration. When King threw that out the window, Tony didn't let go, he kept on asking, when King threw the next ridiculous question out the window, Tony tried again from another angle. So yes, when a stand-in manager has already endured being ridiculed by the panel, is pr�ckly and has just given the best sideline impassioned improvised account of what he and the team tried to do on the pitch, Tony should have let it go with the nitpicking and asked a different question but, he probably stood there in front of King with that grin, too stupid to ask a different question and instead asked the same silly question again, after shifting the goalposts.
Probably its that inane stupidity, or the flippant manner he has, could be the stupid excitable grin, could be that he's interpreted as disrespectful, could be that he doesn't do a good interview with a logical sequence of questions, all or any of the above, take your pick.
But possibly you find Tony charming and King a bit crude, that's your choice.

**ifk101** · 16/10/2013, 11:25 AM

Tony O'D asked "we had more possession but in terms of penetration ... (interrupted by King's laughter) .... maybe the lack of natural wingers ... was that an issue for us?". Perfectly valid question btw - does nobody else here want to know the reasoning behind King's team selection/ tactics? King replied to that question with "Germany scored 3 goals, we scored 3 goals, don't talk me about that will you please". That's a ridiculous response to the question and it set the tone for the rest of the interview.

**SwanVsDalton** · 16/10/2013, 11:33 AM

King's response was OTT but he was right to basically say TOD, and by extension the panel, were a) badgering him on a team selection which isn't that out-there as any modern football watcher can attest and b) appearing to ask for the moon on a stick.

TOD wasn't asking 'did you feel there was a lack of penetration?' or 'did you feel we played with enough width?' He told King there was a lack of penetration and we didn't play with enough width. That's a guff line of questioning for a reporter, and always likely to irk any manager who has to listen to it. King's going to go back to the U21s and probably felt he had little to lose by going nuclear on TOD's nonsense. And, let's face it, TOD had it coming - big time.

There is a major difference between criticising tactics or questioning a manger's mindset in team selection and baldly stating 'we didn't penetrate enough' or 'that was a shambles' or 'you are tactically inept', which are the totally unwarranted statements a TWO GAME INTERIM MANAGER has had to face in the last ten days.

Honestly why would any coach, manager or person bother with us when that's the kind of unreasonable bile they have to put up with from the get-go?

For some reason King was expected to grovel before the might of the RTE experts' tactical luminosity and football eloquence. That he rightly refuses because they're either dinosaurs or no-nothing poseurs appears to give them great agitation.