Ireland V Germany(A) 11th October & Kazakhstan(H) 15th October 2013 - World Cup '14 Q

**Emmet7** · 15/10/2013, 9:46 PM

The 4-2-3-1 formation is the one used by most top teams in the modern game.

Unfortunately the people who watch the RTE panel, a lot of them don't know much about football, unlike most people on here who do know their stuff. The people who watch the RTE panel barely realise that Dunphy never managed and Giles hasn't managed in 30 years. Both are hopelessly out of touch with modern tactics and are stuck in a 1960s/70s time warp. They can criticise all they like but neither have much credibility in the modern game and both are out of touch. Giles doesn't believe in formations which is fair enough but you have to put players somewhere on the pitch which usually ends up in some kind of formation. Dunphy is Dunphy...clueless, and feels the need to insult to get attention because he has little positive to say about anyone or anything.

**Emmet7** · 15/10/2013, 9:47 PM

Dunphy says his criticism is never personal...

So calling people puffballs, creeps, nothing players, nasty men, a b*llix, etc etc isn't personal?

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2013, 9:50 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Way too much passing or attempting to play a passing game that we just can't play. We badly needed someone to just hoof that ball and time after time the back 4 bottled out of it, just didn't show the moral courage to get on the ball, take responsibility and hoof it up front,
How hard can it be to just hoof it aimlessly. Even Forde who we use to be able to depend upon for 10 or 15 hoof every 10 minutes was just throwing the ball out to the full backs, and then we had the sight of a midfielder showing up to receive the ball from the back 4. What nonsense!

No moral courage, John.

**geysir** · 15/10/2013, 9:54 PM

Pity Darragh didn't have enough moral courage to take them on, what a bunch of pussy hypocrites, can't take a bit of professional criticism on the chin, but have to twist it into something personal and a deflective defending the honour of one of RTE's biggest buffoons, with the mike - Tony o'D.

**Grafter** · 15/10/2013, 9:56 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Dunphy says his criticism is never personal...So calling people puffballs, creeps, nothing players, nasty men, a b*llix, etc etc isn't personal?

Absolutely, the same thought was running through my head... but hey, the guy has a short term memory obviously. To be fair, I'm no fan of Dara Moloney but he did sort of question Dunphy (in a way) after the game and was literally jumped on... The way Dunphy panders to "the soccer fan" is so predictable... trotting out GAA and rugby analogys etc.... to ingratiate himself...Oh look.... at least the lot of them.... Hamilton and Whelan included might be on their final broadcasting legs??? Small mercys?

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Emmet7

The 4-2-3-1 formation is the one used by most top teams in the modern game.

More importantly, it's the formation Ireland play from U15 through to U21 level and, with Ruud Dokter at the helm, at senior level too. As Noel King well knows, and bought into years ago. God forbid we'd expect the RTE panel to have any broad knowledge of the Irish system they purport to comment on...

**Stuttgart88** · 15/10/2013, 10:10 PM

Didn't Sadlier bemoan, in his Sindo articles, the lack of consistency between underage formations and that of the senior team?

**Emmet7** · 15/10/2013, 10:11 PM

If the clown Dunphy's past form is anything to go by he will try to drag this spat out with King in his newspaper column for the next week or two. That's what he has done with every previous manager. He's a controversy junkie and a supreme sh*t stirrer who then exploits it for personal advantage. Some day I hope the vast majority see through him.

If I was Mick McCarthy I'd agree to take the Irish job on condition Dunphy quit the RTE panel. Because 2 games in and Dunphy will be back attacking McCarthy with personal attacks and continuing the vendetta in his newspaper columns.

A bitter little man, Jack had it right.

**SwanVsDalton** · 15/10/2013, 10:14 PM

Anyone got any vids yet of the panel post King interview? Was getting texted about how awful it was, but the bar I was in was showing Sky coverage.

Anyway without having seen it feel comfortable saying that if RTE have savaged a two-game interim manager for no discernible reason then they need to take a long hard look at the standards they are setting.

**Grafter** · 15/10/2013, 10:15 PM

Oh look, RTE have generated a new story for themselves! S.A.D.!http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...ing-interview/

**DannyInvincible** · 15/10/2013, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Anyone got any vids yet of the panel post King interview?

You'll be able to get it here: http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/480630/

**amaccann** · 15/10/2013, 10:20 PM

While I don't agree with King's attitude towards the questioning (I kinda thought his giggling laughter at some questions a bit passive-aggressive), the pompous, self-righteous 'Guardians of football" shtick adopted by the RT� panel is getting a bit much to stomach at this point. The hubris coming off them all, Dunphy in particular of course, is positively nauseating. To the point where I'd like to see TV3 maybe win the bid for the next campaign: not because they have better punditry, but it might put the fools at RT� in the ha'penny place a little and force them to re-evaluate their coverage.

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2013, 10:20 PM

The entire country is reeling from the latest budget and the RTE panel are moaning about the interim manager integrating the senior team with the national set-up. 15,000 people went to see the national team tonight, many of whom it will be their only night out for the next month or so. Still, they're splitting hairs over a 3-1 win at home, something we haven't done for a few years. It's baffling.

**DannyInvincible** · 15/10/2013, 10:22 PM

In an attempt to attack King by comparison and contrast, the ever-inconsistent Dunphy even resorted to complimenting the manner in which Trap conducted his interviews. Wasn't Dunphy always scathing of Trap's interviews?

**TonyD** · 15/10/2013, 10:28 PM

Don't usually comment on Ireland (don't care enough) But I do want to comment on the panel tonight. Yes, Noel King came across as a tool, but Dunphys response was equally bad, and typical of the man. He is a bully of the highest order, and a master of personal abuse, so to call King for it was real pot/kettle stuff. Ireland weren't great, but compared to the last performance against Kazahkstan, and many other home performances under Trappatoni against mediocre opposition, it wasn't that bad. Kings comments after the Germany game about the panel being a comedy show clearly stung them. Dunphys comments about being available for the managers job were only half in jest I fear. I'd love to see him given the job though, absolutely love it. He's never had to put his footballing money where his considerable mouth is. Nobody ever got their tactics or team selection wrong in a TV studio. His backing of Mick McCarthy for the job was also hilarious, given the abuse he heaped on him (yes Eamonn, much of it personal) when he had the job. Every single Irish manager since Dunphy started in the media has gotten this treatment from him, so give him the job and shut him up once and for all.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 15/10/2013, 10:35 PM

D*nphy couldn't run a bath, let alone a national soccer team.

Here's the latest WSC take on it all.
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-...t=20&start=420

**Emmet7** · 15/10/2013, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

In an attempt to attack King by comparison and contrast, the ever-inconsistent Dunphy even resorted to complimenting the manner in which Trap conducted his interviews. Wasn't Dunphy always scathing of Trap's interviews?

Unfortunately I fear we are all giving the troll Dunphy what he wants, attention. Controversy is what he feeds on. King's done an ok job as manager. Wiped the slate clean, brought back out of favour players, introduced a new formation, got the players playing on the deck. I can understand why he would defend the players and his selection, he's hardly going to say otherwise. He's no more out of his depth than Trapattoni was or Brian Kerr or Mick McCarthy post WC 2002 or I suspect MON if he gets the job.

The problem with the RTE panel is O'Herilihy and Maloney - both don't know enough or are strong enough to put Dunphy and Giles in their place and particularly call Dunphy out on is spoofing. Dunphy went from calling Gibson braindead to then saying it was wrong he wasn't in the squad for September games to saying he doesn't rate him last week. A proper host would say "Dunphy, you're full of sh*t"...Instead Bill and Daragh look at him as if he's the greatest pundit ever. A definite clear out of the panel needed after next summers World Cup.

**SwanVsDalton** · 15/10/2013, 10:41 PM

Bleurgh. The panel discussion was a joke - bunch of duffers screaming into an echo chamber.

I will say King didn't do himself any favours. Hey - King's well able to handle TOD without pressing the big red button. No doubt his blow-out was at least partly caused by getting a total hammering on Friday for pretty much no reason beyond he made a fairly bizarre selection and no substitutions. Wasn't the worst crime, particularly given the context of a thankless game away to one of the best sides in the world.

Teeing off against King - a guy who by all accounts, good or bad, would indicate a solid Irish football guy - was just crass. King responds robustly during the week (as he should). And now the panel are wondering why he's being so 'unprofessional' or 'immature'? They're looking around like they're innocent bystanders who just witnessed a hobo ranting in the street. 'Huh - was he talking to me? How rude!'

Dunphy slammed King for being immature etc. Incredibly, even labels him a 'bully'. He then bullyingly condescends Maloney over King's supposedly 'personal attack' on TOD (load of rubbish).

His final line is an absolute cracker:

"You see it all the time in sport - heated debate, strong criticism. Joe Brolly and people like that. Great people, passionate, like the fans. And anybody who tires to stifle that and tries to turn it into something nasty is wrong."

Eamon Dunphy, 2013. There isn't a shark in the world big enough that this **** couldn't jump over. Never ceases to amaze.

**geysir** · 15/10/2013, 10:44 PM

I think most people here know that Tony O'D hasn't got the necessary components in his dna to have a personal football opinion worth one bean and he just repeats what is already been said on the panel, so any perceived criticism by King of the football intelligence of T O'D was not aimed at T O'D personally but at the panel in their capacity as the panel.

**Stuttgart88** · 15/10/2013, 10:49 PM

That's exactly what I was thinking Geysir. King wasn't responding to the question, he was responding to the broad editorial tone of RTE which is to promote the panel's self indulgence over anything else. TOD is every bit as much a part of that as Dunphy.