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Thread: Ireland V Germany(A) 11th October & Kazakhstan(H) 15th October 2013 - World Cup '14 Q

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    I'd like to see some urgency now to try and put some gloss on the scoreline.

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    Not much of a game to be fair. The Kazaks are awful.

    What's the bets Dunphy will use the word "shambles" after the game?

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    disappointed by reid tonight. he is still just a luxury player that we couldn't possibly play against any half decent opposition.

    doyle poor also, a shadow of the player he was 2-3 seasons ago. other than that, not too bad i suppose. mccarthy not great again, really does not impose himself on the game.

    stokes was decent enough. ahead of long now surely.

    turns out, it seems, that when we try to knock the ball about we're not great at it...

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    McGeady is very keen to show why he shouldn't have been left out of these games - he's put in a few heavy challenges, all of them legal. Good sign, he's hungry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmet7 View Post
    Not much of a game to be fair. The Kazaks are awful.

    What's the bets Dunphy will use the word "shambles" after the game?
    10-1 he will say an "effing shambles"

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    Thought Stokes had a good game. McGeady's done well since he came on, showing plenty of energy, although Kazakhstan noticeably tiring by that point.

    McCarthy just awarded 'man of the match'.

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    last chance for 4-1

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    Worth pointing out that of the 14 players used today, only McCarthy and McGeady were born outside of Ireland, and neither could be accused of being anything less than 100% Irish. Puts to bed the argument that we're lacking talent in this country. Poor game in all honesty.

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    FFS...He's surely not blaming King for Seamus Coleman's mistake that led to the goal? The analysis is beyond a joke at times.

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    King has put Tony O'Donoghue in his place there. Defending his players, great management. He's not the answer for the new manager but he's done us proud.

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    RTE panel a bit ridiculous now. Noel King had 2 weeks to prepare and everyone knows he's interim manager.

    This is nonsense. And its most definitely personal attacks - everything from Dunphy is personal...pr*ck.

    Dunphy out!

    No wonder few managers want the Irish management job with nonsense like this.
    Last edited by Emmet7; 15/10/2013 at 9:05 PM.

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    The analysis was prejudiced from the start. That second half was far from perfect but was absolutely a big step in the right direction. The direction that Mark1234 says we must take and I agree.

    It was a joy to watch Forde playing the ball short. It was a joy to watch a Ireland actually own the ball for large periods, and to probe and find gaps even if the final ball was poor.

    There are plenty here whose thesis is that we are not so bad that we can only play hoofball to compete with anyone, and I think that tonight showed that we can try to enter the 21st century. I think we have no choice.

    It was a facile win in reality but I think it was a step forward in the overall scheme of things.

    Oh, and the RTE panel showed an ignorance of 4231 I think. Loads of teams play inside out forwards rather than natural wide men. They seemed to think it was some kind of mad experiment. I'd have preferred width myself but it wasn't as mad as they seemed to think. I think they set out to criticise King, had reason to maintain that position at half time but showed a complete lack of magnanimity at the end. That second half could be an important stepping stone for this team.

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    Well said Emmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Oh, and the RTE panel showed an ignorance of 4231 I think. Loads of teams play inside out forwards rather than natural wide men. They seemed to think it was some kind of mad experiment. I'd have preferred width myself but it wasn't as mad as they seemed to think. I think they set out to criticise King, had reason to maintain that position at half time but showed a complete lack of magnanimity at the end. That second half could be an important stepping stone for this team.
    I think that might be somewhat true, but I think they were right in that Doyle and Stokes were uncomfortable as wide forwards alongside Keane and Reid. They did take up a lot of the same positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    King has put Tony O'Donoghue in his place there. Defending his players, great management. He's not the answer for the new manager but he's done us proud.
    Just seeing the interview here:



    Got fairly tense.

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    Yes, but this all comes out in the wash. You can only tell what works when you try it. Stokes played wide of centre a lot at Celtic. My point is that what King tried CAN work, but it looked awkward. As I said, I'd have used natural width myself but the panel displayed an ignorance of what many teams do these days. It was a worthwhile exercise and even despite the awkwardness of our wide forwards it was totally and utterly churlish not to acknowledge that the second half looked like a normal football team. Not a great team, but a normal one and for me that's an improvement.

    The panel can't use the line that the opposition was were crap. If that had been Trap my guess is we'd have been more hung up on how we looked without the ball, they'd have had more of it and we'd be saying "look how much of the ball they had, they were no mugs".

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    Well said Noel King. Eff off RTE.

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    Way too much passing or attempting to play a passing game that we just can't play. We badly needed someone to just hoof that ball and time after time the back 4 bottled out of it, just didn't show the moral courage to get on the ball, take responsibility and hoof it up front,
    How hard can it be to just hoof it aimlessly. Even Forde who we use to be able to depend upon for 10 or 15 hoof every 10 minutes was just throwing the ball out to the full backs, and then we had the sight of a midfielder showing up to receive the ball from the back 4. What nonsense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Well said Noel King. Eff off RTE.
    And then Dunphy and co. portray him as a deranged loon after the game.... what a toxic cesspool that sports department appears at times....

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