Cup Final, who do ya want to win ?

**max power** · 18/10/2004, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

Big clubs do well in their league and have a good european run.
Any club can do well in the cup and that's the same in every country.
Honestly Max, who was the last big club to win the FAI cup?

I wish ye the best of luck but I'd take top two in the league and a good euro run over the FAI and league cups anyday.

but you might not even be in europe ??? we win one game and we are there, in a real european competition, see iinter toto means nothing to our league, sorry but fact....

bohs beat us in the final a few years back, be honest, your club would love to win any trophy, but you haven't in a while and with all his talking a part time manager like alan matthews has won two trophies in almost the same length of time with a much much smaller budget.

**OneRedArmy** · 18/10/2004, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

Big clubs do well in their league and have a good european run.
Any club can do well in the cup and that's the same in every country.
Honestly Max, who was the last big club to win the FAI cup?

I wish ye the best of luck but I'd take top two in the league and a good euro run over the FAI and league cups anyday.

Of course you'd take top two in the League, as you went out of the Cup early and its the best you can achieve. And whats a good Euro run, surely not getting knocked out of the UEFA in the pre-qualifying competition(Intertoto) before the Cup winners have entered?

And btw what the hell is a "big club", when does a "big club" stop being a "big club" and can a "small club" become a "big club"?!.

For instance, are Cork a "big club" based on any other measure than their fanbase?

Trophies and trophies only define a big club.

**sparkey** · 18/10/2004, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

I'm not too bothered about the cup final as the cup seems to have turned into a competition for small clubs and thus doesn't affect us too much.

Obviously winning trophies doesn�t affect MASSIVE clubs like the big City clubs. I mean you don�t see MASSIVE clubs Like Manchester City or Cork City winning trophies. But they do take MASSIVE pride in playing in PRE-SEASON euro competitions like the inter two �bob cup. A competition even UEFA are embarrassed so much about that they are going to scrap the competition. Winning trophies dream on Colm. MASSIVE CLUB not bothered about trophies! my AR, SE!

**S�C** · 18/10/2004, 1:10 PM

Really hope Longford win it for many reasons.

Although it could be funny to see the thugs having to play their european game at the Cross if they were to cheat their way to a win

**max power** · 18/10/2004, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by xtreme rebel

I agree with Colm on this one. The cup winners in the uefa cup is a joke. Just look at how the cup winners have faired in europe in recent years. The league should remove reither the UEFA spot or Setanta Cup spot from the cup winners. It's an awful windfall for winning just 5 games.

How good a team is is judged on their league campaign and not a cup run. Waterford are in the final of the cup, they had 3 home games and their toughest and only away game was up in Derry. Surely that doesn't merit a place in the uefa cup.

Anyhow I want Longford to win it.

agreeing with colm, no pics for you

**OneRedArmy** · 18/10/2004, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by xtreme rebel

I agree with Colm on this one. The cup winners in the uefa cup is a joke. Just look at how the cup winners have faired in europe in recent years. The league should remove reither the UEFA spot or Setanta Cup spot from the cup winners. It's an awful windfall for winning just 5 games.

How good a team is is judged on their league campaign and not a cup run. Waterford are in the final of the cup, they had 3 home games and their toughest and only away game was up in Derry. Surely that doesn't merit a place in the uefa cup.

Anyhow I want Longford to win it.

There's no doubt if you were in the cup final you wouldn't be taking this view. The bloody idea of the cup is that it is a knockout tournament and gives clubs, not just League club (Rockmount anyone?), the chance to progress.

I know, lets have a second parallel League tournament and get rid of the Cups as they aren't fair (read Cork didn't do well in them).

**Macy** · 18/10/2004, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by xtreme rebel

I agree with Colm on this one. The cup winners in the uefa cup is a joke. Just look at how the cup winners have faired in europe in recent years. The league should remove reither the UEFA spot or Setanta Cup spot from the cup winners. It's an awful windfall for winning just 5 games.

How good a team is is judged on their league campaign and not a cup run. Waterford are in the final of the cup, they had 3 home games and their toughest and only away game was up in Derry. Surely that doesn't merit a place in the uefa cup.

Anyhow I want Longford to win it.

As I've said before, the UEFA place for the cup winners is the old Cup Winners Cup place before the merger of the two competitions.

The Cup Winners Cup actually took priority over the UEFA Cup as you actually had to win something to be in it. No one chose the UEFA over the Cup Winners Cup.

**dortie** · 18/10/2004, 2:42 PM

Interesting, those who knock the cup are those who have never done very well in it !! Or the league for that matter

**eoinh** · 18/10/2004, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

The Cup Winners Cup actually took priority over the UEFA Cup as you actually had to win something to be in it. No one chose the UEFA over the Cup Winners Cup.

That was for logistic purposes. Some countries had 4 entries into the UEFA cup. If you gave the UEFA cup priority and all four qualifiers in the UEFA cup reahed the cup semi-finals yould end up having to run your cup competition all over again after the season had ended.

The quality of the UEFA cup was always higher than the Cup-winner cup, especially before the champions league was expanded. Why else would they have scrapped the cup winner cup.

Just a comparison of the winners of each competition proves the point. You didnt get the likes of Mechelen winning the UEFA Cup.

**Partizan** · 18/10/2004, 8:07 PM

The whole soccer public with the exception of those in **** and Longford are shouting for the Blues this Sunday.

I suppose you can call it tradition.

**�anna** · 18/10/2004, 9:28 PM

Originally Posted by Partizan

Waterford are through to the Cup Final final on merit and merit alone, albeit with a bit of luck against Rockmount in the QF

We were simply better than the teams we played so therefore we won our way to the final and so enter Lansdowne Road come Sunday.

I'm just burstin me ****** laughing at the ****ies calling for the Cup winners to be excluded from European competition (Setanta included). Could it be down to the fact that we are in the Cup final and they are not

Ah they can always settle for the IntertwoBob Tayto Cup that Fat and the collective Fat Pack being the only ones that the Inter Mickey Mouse Cup means something.

where did anyone call for them to be excluded?

**the 12 th man** · 19/10/2004, 7:11 AM

Originally Posted by Partizan

The whole soccer public with the exception of those in **** and Longford are shouting for the Blues this Sunday.

I suppose you can call it tradition.

d'ont know where you got that idea from,there is plenty of support for both teams from neutral supporters.

**Macy** · 19/10/2004, 7:27 AM

Originally Posted by eoinh

That was for logistic purposes. Some countries had 4 entries into the UEFA cup. If you gave the UEFA cup priority and all four qualifiers in the UEFA cup reahed the cup semi-finals yould end up having to run your cup competition all over again after the season had ended.

The quality of the UEFA cup was always higher than the Cup-winner cup, especially before the champions league was expanded. Why else would they have scrapped the cup winner cup.

Just a comparison of the winners of each competition proves the point. You didnt get the likes of Mechelen winning the UEFA Cup.

They scrapped the Cup Winners Cup because the expanded champions league meant that it was more likely that one of the winners from the top leagues would win the cup but qualify for the champions league. In most countries, whether they take it serious or not, the top clubs tend to do well in the Cup.

A comparison of the winners going back to the days of the open draws is a bit ridiculous imo. Loads of sh�te teams got through to finals in all three competitions back then. The early 80's especially is littered with them.

**Pauro 76** · 19/10/2004, 3:52 PM

Hoping Longford win the Cup on the day! A draw would be an absolute nightmare for me personally. Flying back the evening after.... COME ON DE TOWN....

**Dillo** · 19/10/2004, 3:55 PM

Pauro you may stay put if the game ends in a draw. Not worth your while going back to England!

**Macy** · 20/10/2004, 7:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dillo

Pauro you may stay put if the game ends in a draw. Not worth your while going back to England!

No way, we only do well when he's not here. I firmly believe that the return to form is inversely proportional to the number of games Pauro goes to.

**El Perro** · 20/10/2004, 8:08 AM

hope wah-herford wins.....saw them beat pats 1-0 in 1980 (yea, that old)...dalymount with about 25000 and for once it was a good cup final ......they should play all cup finals in tolka or dalymount cos there'll be NO atmosphere at lansdowne....it'll probably rain and that ridiculous nonsense will be on up at croker....did anyone see that it was described as being like "ballet" in a letter to the irish times....????

**max power** · 20/10/2004, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

No way, we only do well when he's not here. I firmly believe that the return to form is inversely proportional to the number of games Pauro goes to.

agreed macy

**trevy** · 20/10/2004, 10:22 AM

Its typical of the big clubs arrogant fans to knock Waterford and Longford and say FAI Cup final winners shouldn't get a UEFA spot.If they were in the final they wouldn't be saying this.Maybe we should let the same 3 teams Shels,Bohs and Cork in Europe every year to keep them happy.Its good that different teams can make Europe and we'll enjoy the day at Lansdowne Road on Sunday.