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    It was a poor game for Celtic against Ajax. The squad looked to be stretched thin to provide 11 players, never mind a sub of any quality who can make an impact on a game. Commons just back from another injury was misfiring all night. Samaras and Amsterdam coffee shops don't mix.
    It wasn't as poor as many of Celtic's away efforts in the CL but by recent standards in the CL, it was the worst.

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    Some more on the trouble in Amsterdam: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/...171744814.html

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    Upon returning to the town square from the match, tales of violent skirmishes involving Celtic fans, the Dutch police and undercover policemen were all the rage among some dazed visitors.

    Most visiting fans looked like they would have had trouble attempting to make sense of the city's infamous Red Light district, but there was apparently enough life in them to take on the cops.

    As Aston Villa manager and former Celtic captain Paul Lambert pointed out on Thursday, it is difficult to swallow the belief that travelling fans were the main culprits of such goings on.

    "I played for many years at Celtic and I never encountered any bother," said Lambert. "I played in the UEFA Cup final and we took over maybe 80-90,000 to Seville and there was not one arrest while we were there. Knowing the club and the fans the way I do, I find it incredible. I'm not sure they would have started anything."

    A more believable tale comes from an eye witness who claimed hooded Ajax casuals emerging from the shadows were guilty of prompting the trouble.
    The club's statement about a "high degree of provocation" is watertight.

    When the drink is in the wit is out. It does not take much to set off a chaotic sequence of events by tossing a few bottles like petrol on a bonfire, especially when it seems to have been pre-planned by Dutch hooligans, but there is something deeply sinister about how local police handled the visiting fans.

    Why was there a need for undercover police to mingle among the travelling fans? How many of those involved in the trouble had leanings towards Ajax? How many had a penchant for unnecessary violence?

    These are all issues that have to be addressed as much as the police victims left strewn across the city centre amid the carnage. Judge for yourself on the video. Police training in the art of appropriate force is tossed to the wind like the flying debris that apparently made its way into the saturated surroundings.

    From this vantage point of a good day out turned rotten, I would suggest some of those Dutch police were not acting in self-defence, but were grown men looking for trouble behind a badge. In my opinion, grown men looking to inflict damage with needless acts of violence. A pub frequented by Celtic fans publicly apologised to the visitors for the treatment doled out to them.

    Can you imagine the outrage there would be in this country if a policeman began laying into a football fan with such an assault? Can you imagine the furore there would be if a British officer encouraged a dog to take a chunk of a fan's knee while his colleague held him? It seems to me that police brutality has never been so obvious.

    Ajax casuals had also invaded a bar the night before the match to make off with a Celtic flag. It is fair to say Ajax boast an element of supporters whose behaviour is at odds with the tranquil surroundings of their city.

    Their supporters are facing punishment from UEFA for their conduct in Glasgow a fortnight ago, and their brandishing of an offensive banner on Wednesday. Celtic have turned up at various places on the continent in recent times with little trouble including cities such as Milan, Barcelona and Lisbon.

    This onlooker is not for one minute suggesting Celtic fans are whiter than white. No club can take 13,000 with them to the Netherlands, and expect everybody to behave themselves.

    One aggressive sort had a go at me for donning an orange top, suggesting the lowest common denominator can still board a plane; but the vast majority of the Glasgow club's followers travel well around Europe. Ask the mayor of Seville about Celtic's fans.

    That Celtic's supporters should run into such chaotic scenes in the Netherlands says more about Ajax fans and the incompetence of the Amsterdam Police than it does Celtic's travelling support.

    "This happens all the time with Ajax," an apologetic Dutch fan told me the other night.

    He was right. Manchester United fans were confronted by Ajax casuals during their Europa League match in Amsterdam last February, while around 25 Manchester City followers were picked up by police after battling with Ajax fans last October.

    On the plane home yesterday, a ravaged Celtic follower made one telling statement that suggested Ajax's fans had sickened him off the joint, if not the joint. "I would never go back to Amsterdam to watch Celtic," he said.

    Sad but wise. Amsterdam is a football city, but one that is better visiting when there is no football on.
    I did think it a bit unusual to read about Celtic fans getting caught up in running battles with police.

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    BT outbids SKY for champions league rights. Over a billion quid for next 3 years. Just what football needs - more money!

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    Yes but on the other hand it is good that Sky's near monopoly on sport is being broken.

    On a separate note, the Ajax goal against Celtic was excellent. Surprised it didn't get more coverage but if it had been scored by a bigger team, perhaps it would.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    Yes but on the other hand it is good that Sky's near monopoly on sport is being broken.

    On a separate note, the Ajax goal against Celtic was excellent. Surprised it didn't get more coverage but if it had been scored by a bigger team, perhaps it would.
    Those minnows Ajax.
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    City hung on for a good 4 1/2 minutes there.

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    Snow/hail in Istanbul, stops play.
    They need a few more snow shovels, at this rate it will take an hour to clear the lines.

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    Benfica are giving it welly against PSG, probably all in vain though as Olympiakos are a goal and a man ahead in their game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    City hung on for a good 4 1/2 minutes there.
    I always believed they'd do it.

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    Anderlecht down to 10 men, with nothing to play for, certainly rattled Olympiakos in the 2nd half, then they lost a 2nd player for a last man tackle, the defender might have got a touch on the ball - I don't know. Anderlecht now down to 9 were still in with a chance for an equaliser, then they lost their goalie, for a dead-cert red card tackle and the penalty was dispatched - just about, in off the post. Game finally over.

    I think the key moment was Anderlecht losing their goalie and going down to 8 players so soon after going down to 9, as Mick McCarthy claimed (after the qual against Croatia) that playing 9 men is a highly dangerous proposition - you just don't know what will happen as a wounded team throws caution to the wind. If only Anderlecht had been able to be that dangerous team with 9 players for a period of time.

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    Juventus are out, they lost just now to Galatasaray, Senijder scored for them in the 85th min. The game was resumed at lunchtime today after being suspended last night due to snow. Good goal and good tactical game from Mancini's side, Juventus look very toothless 6 points from 6 games is the worst by an Italian side in the group stage since 2008 - even if Milan and Napoli lose tonight they will still have more than 6 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    I always believed they'd do it.
    Apparently, Pellegrini was unware his side required just one more goal to top the group: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25328129

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    Manchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini seemed not to realise his team were one goal away from claiming top spot in Champions League Group D during their 3-2 win over Bayern Munich.

    A 4-2 victory would have ensured City qualified in first place and avoided a top seed in the last-16 draw on Monday.

    But Pellegrini appeared to suggest his team needed a three-goal victory.

    Asked why he did not bring on striker Sergio Aguero, he said: "I was tempted if we scored the fourth goal."

    The Chilean added: "It was important to be first in the group but not the most important - it was difficult to score two goals."

    Both sides finished on 15 points have already qualified for the knockout stages.

    After beating City 3-1 in Manchester in the first group game, holders Bayern went through as group winners ahead of City because of their better head-to-head goals record.

    With the score at 3-2, Pellegrini opted to bring on midfielder Jack Rodwell for striker Edin Dzeko, rather than introduce Argentina international Aguero, the club's top scorer this season with 18 goals.

    "I said it would be very difficult to beat Bayern by three goals," said Pellegrini, who gave the impression he had given up on the 5-2 scoreline he seemed to think they needed.

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    When he was informed about the goal difference thing, Pellegrini was quick to assume an air of supreme defiance, as in 'we don't care who we meet we're not concerned about such petty details as topping the group'.

    Tonight's menu looks more attractive than last night's.
    What's the main game, Napoli v Arsenal? Maybe if Napoli score before half time.
    Isn't Napoli one of these 'see ..... and die' cities?
    You could have 3 teams on 12 points in that group

    Chelsea should wrap up their group, leaving a humdinger between Schalke and Basle.
    Milan V Ajax should be another worth watching game.

    Zenit should stay ahead of Porto, leaving no Portuguese team in the last 16.

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    Celtic held out for a good 6 minutes there.

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    There's some ex player who's co-commentator on the Barca celtic game, fck me but that guy just spends the whole time complaining, every time he's allowed to open his mouth it's to moan about this or that, often enough he keeps moaning until the replay proves him wrong then shifts to moan about something else.
    Makes Ray sound like a beacon of optimism.

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    Obvious interference in shaping the line up for the last 16.
    Basel down to 10 against Schalke and Marseilles down to 10 against Dortmund. The common denominator there is .... Germany.

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    Absolutely shocking dive by the Marseilles player to earn his second yellow. It was Brady-esque.


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    2-0 Schalke now. They also fluked their way past PAOK in the play-off round.

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    Schalke's 2nd appeared to be a mile offside, but haven't had a good look at it.

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