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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post

    And for those of a Nationalist persuasion: would you concede the loss of the tricolour, for a United Ireland?
    Sure. It's a piece of cloth, and nothing worth delaying unification over if such a process was agreed upon by both sides of the border.

    In theory, the tricolor should be perfect as an All-Ireland flag, considering what the colours are actually supposed to represent. But it can't be separated from its identity as a symbol of the Republic. The Harp with a green background might be a good option.
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    Paddy's Saltire for me.

    Can't imagine people will be too enamoured with a Leinster symbol over the whole State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gather round View Post
    What would that monstrosity achieve?

    Four Provinces flag and be done with it!
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    Four province flag? I'm not a fan of a flag that needs multiple sentences to explain.
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    I'd sacrifice a kidney for a united Ireland. Would I give up the tricolour? In a heartbeat

    What about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gather round View Post

    WTF??

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    An interesting video here from 2014 where Arlene Foster, in talking up the benefits of devolution at a time of political difficulty, states (or perhaps warns even) unequivocally that "direct rule" would actually entail joint authority:



    That's not what the DUP have been saying of late; lately, the DUP have threatened to pull the plug on their confidence-and-supply arrangement with the Tories if the Tories were to grant Dublin greater say.

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    The acknowledgement by all parties concerned - including the DUP - of the necessity to prioritise the all-island economy in the Brexit talks is a validation of the logic behind the economic argument for Irish unity. To the best of my knowledge, nobody campaigned for a hard border over the past few weeks, so can it be assumed we're all economic united Irelanders now?

    Varadkar also said yesterday: "There will be no hard border on the island and you will never again be left behind by an Irish government."

    That's an interesting and heartening statement of intent from a Blueshirt. It is also an implicit but welcome acknowledgement that the south has previously left northern nationalists behind and of the unsatisfactory nature of this. The mood is certainly changing and it's very promising for unity proponents.

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    Fianna Fail touted earlier this year that they were putting together a white paper on how to get to a United Ireland. Whatever happened to that idea?
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    Wow!

    Fermanagh elected to stay in Ulster. The more you know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Wow!

    Fermanagh elected to stay in Ulster. The more you know!

    https://www.facebook.com/Meanwhilein...6297035211733/
    That's borderline parody. Other selected gems of nonsense:

    "[The border] was created in 1922 when Ireland became a Free State and Ulster remained British."

    "This crow's foot on the bridge [in Pettigo] marks the exact spot where I can step out of Britain and into the Irish Republic."

    "That meant that the people of Pettigo suddenly found themselves split by an international border. On that side [Fermanagh], they were British in largely-Protestant Ulster and on this side [Donegal, which is also in Ulster], Irish, in the largely-Catholic Free State of Éire."

    "True enough, a few Protestants headed back over the border from this side into Britain."



    The claim that Fermanagh elected to stay in the UK is ridiculous. Fermanagh's county council actually expressed the exact opposite. They refused to recognise partition and pledged allegiance to Dáil Eireann, but their protest and voice was quickly suppressed by the northern authorities: https://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress...-six-counties/

    "Fermanagh CC passed the following motion on 21st December 1921;

    'We, the County Council of Fermanagh, in view of the expressed desire of a large majority of people in this country, do not recognize the partition parliament in Belfast and do hereby direct our secretary to hold no further communications with either Belfast or British local governments, and we pledge our allegiance to Dáil Eireann.'

    The RIC seized their offices, sacked officials and the County Council was dissolved and replaced by Commissioners. Armagh, Keady and Newry Urban Councils, Downpatrick Town Commissioners, Cookstown, Downpatrick, Kilkeel, Lisnaskea, Strabane, Magherafelt, and Newry 1 & 2 Rural Councils as well as some Boards of Poor Law Guardians were all similarly dissolved and replaced by commissioners by April 1922. Derry remained.

    To permanently deal with the problem, for the following local elections, PR was abolished, and all councilors were obliged to swear an oath to the crown. Our friend Dawson Bates then appointed Sir John Leech as the man to redraw boundaries, which he did at a rapid pace often giving locals only one week to make submissions – nationalists tended to boycott this absurdity. The plan worked excellently – after the 1924 local elections only 2 of the eighty councils were nationalist. Gerrymandering went on, Armagh Urban Council (Nationalist) was dissolved in 1934 and was only set back up again in 1946 with new wards and a unionist majority. Over these years Derry was re-jigged on a number of occasions."

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    It's a borderline parody!
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    Further interesting reading here from David McWilliams on northern demographics, the disparity between the stagnant northern and vibrant southern economies in Ireland and what all this could mean for the survival of the northern statelet: http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2017/1...nomic-vibrancy

    Another article (in the unionist Belfast Telegraph) forecasting economic gloom for the north: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/b...-36391516.html

    Quote Originally Posted by John Mulgrew
    The increasingly faster expansion of the economy in the Republic - three times that of Northern Ireland - could advance further amid predictions of slow job creation here over the next two years, new research has shown.

    EY's Economic Eye is forecasting 4.9% growth in the Republic this year, compared with just 1.4% in Northern Ireland. And the economy here is also predicted to see GDP growth of just 1.1% in 2018.

    The jobs market is also predicted to expand at a much slower level in Northern Ireland, with just 5,800 new posts created here by 2020.

    Neil Gibson, chief economist with EY in Ireland, said the real concern for Northern Ireland is an increased pressure on consumers and their incomes. "The real story is if we are looking at pay rises either side of 2% across the island, that's a pay cut in Northern Ireland but a rise in the Republic.

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    'Prominent nationalists ask taoiseach to protect northern citizens' rights': https://www.irishnews.com/news/brexi...ights-1207622/

    Quote Originally Posted by The Irish News
    INFLUENTIAL figures within northern nationalism – including the GAA – have penned an open letter to Taoiseach Leo Varadkar urging him to act to protect the rights of Irish citizens in the north. Signatories include former All-Ireland-winning Tyrone captain Peter Canavan as well as Republic of Ireland soccer international James McClean and boxers Paddy Barnes and Michael Conlon.

    Prominent lawyers, business leaders, and figures from academia, the community, education and sports sectors have also signed the unprecedented open letter carried in The Irish News today. They call on the Irish government, as a co-guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement, to use its influence to end the political crisis. They outline how the stalled Stormont process and Brexit have led to a sense of abandonment not felt since the country was partitioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Fianna Fail touted earlier this year that they were putting together a white paper on how to get to a United Ireland. Whatever happened to that idea?
    They could only find brown paper.

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    Came across this today during a bout of procrastination:

    Modelling Irish Unification by KL Consulting, Vancouver, BC

    http://www.klconsult.ca/irish-unification-modeling-.pdf
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