Heaven knows they're miserable now.
Yeah but as usual when you are like this, there is no way in hell you will be able to figure out what happened to your pants.Originally Posted by BonnieShels
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Heaven knows they're miserable now.
Last edited by Closed Account; 26/03/2013 at 11:40 PM. Reason: grammar
At least he stayed til the end!
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Ugghh that sickening disappointed feeling that comes with the course of been an Ireland fan, and my hopes werent even that high coming into these two games. Ah well here we go again............time will pass by, we will beat the Faroes and suddenly the optimism will kick in again weeks ahead of the Sweden game. That could be a great night for us.........................
Or just plain deluded...
Oh and one more thing, anyone else think Robbie wouldve made a difference tonight. I think he would. There were a few times where we didnt make the best of our attacks or the striker was ahead of the play etc. The goal poaching instincts of Keano may well have got the third we did need in the end.
Yip. He defo would.
Would be nice not to have to rely on him you know, for once though.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Let's get these mixed feelings out of our minds about Trap. If there is a bit of sentiment out there for the Italian still, then just remind yourself that McCarthy would not have played in Stockholm had Whelan been fit. There's a thought. Look what Wheland did tonight against Austria. He is a pathetic footballer, no ifs or buts. Sammon was a joke. Hoolahan was the choice - we would have beaten them with him in the team, or even Robbie Brady. How can so many people see it and the manager not?
I lost respect for Trap when he didn't follow on after Paris and have the team play the way they were capable. And then he publicly promised to change tactics after the Euros. But it has been and always be the same old drivel under this manager. Ok we are a limited team but we have two or three who can play and bring the best out in the others, but they're just swept under the carpet by a now clueless manager
Only for him, there would be no balance on the panel, which would be a fault in the coverage.
We have the same points after the weekend as the other contenders, and it took a 30-yard deflected effort 65 seconds from time to rob us of an important win. It could be better, but it's certainly not over.
Sickening result. Saw the Austrian equaliser coming a mile off. My heart was racing for the last ten minutes; my head begging Trap to do something to relieve the pressure. Putting Green on the right wing was just bizarre. Long played a blinder. Walters and McClean also did well and it was pleasing to see us stage such an impressive comeback by half-time after the shaky start. If we'd continued in that mould, rather than regressing to the negative tactics and inviting on an ultimately insurmountable amount of pressure, we'd be celebrating three points, but we threw it away, as is so typical. Nobody to blame but ourselves, or Trap, to be more precise. Indefensible mismanagement. He made it very clear himself before the game that anything less than three points from this wasn't good enough. Fair play to the Austrians; they kept plugging away, took advantage of our neanderthal tactics and fully deserved their equaliser.
C'mon, don't kid yourself. Sweden have a game in hand.
They all count. And that one has cost us very dearly. No way in hell you can claim we were robbed.and it took a 30-yard deflected effort 65 seconds from time to rob us of an important win.
Barring a miracle. Are you genuinely optimistic?...It could be better, but it's certainly not over.
Last Night I Dreamt That We Drew with Austria
Heaven knows they're miserable now.
Ireland Started Something They Couldn't Finish
Pessimism Begins at Home
The Group Is Dead
Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get a Win in Vienna
Defender in a Coma
There Is a Manager That Never Goes for Broke
etc.
Coleman, Wilson, Long, McClean and McCarthy have definitely improved the team. The problem being they should have been in the side and regulars well before now. My point being that Hoolahan should also be in the side and would improve the team further again. Possibly enough to actually beat sides like Sweden and Austria. Plus we have a Pilkington to come into the side. Another player who will improve the team. Forde is the real deal (hopefully improves his kicking), The chances of either Sweden or Austria beating us later this year is close to zero. Just another slight improvement in the team should be enough to get at least 4 points from the two games. Anything is still possible if we keep improving and I like the look of this current crop of players.
Looks like we finally plucked up the courage to go for broke in the last minute.
Better late than never.
Staggering, isn't it? I don't know if he'll be reporting on tonight's game tomorrow, but I can only look forward a 16-paragraph evisceration of the Austrian school of economics followed by 5 sentences lamenting Trap's failure to pick Wes Hoolahan. Riveting.
I noticed the same thing. Ronnie Whelan in commentary savaged Keogh for not sticking out on his wing to receive the pass, where he presumably would have demonstrated his world-class ability to cross the ball into a box empty of all team mates. He made the right run but didn't receive the required quality of pass. Still, I think if Hoolahan had been on ten minutes earlier, he'd have nailed the pass and Keogh would have scored the important goal I've been tipping him to score for 2 years now.According to the RTE's campaign montage of pieces of brilliant play by Wes, his overhit pass was perfectly struck but the inrushing Andy Keogh was out of position
I've seen a few posts like this and am just focusing on this one. He needed to take Long AND Sammon off, both of whom had run themselves into the ground. Green had to come on, but Doyle or Hoolahan on for Sammon, with five across midfield, would have shored up midfield for us. A better manager would have made the changes.
Who cares if Long says he wasn't tired? He clearly was. Besides, Trap was using "tired" as a euphamism, the same way Dunphy was "tired and emotional" when he couldn't appear in the studio during the '02 World Cup. Long was on a yellow card with 20 minutes to go and was kicking people. Trap made the mistake of not taking off Doyle in a similar situation vs Armenia a year or so back. He wasn't going to make it again.
On Trap, like most everybody else I'll be delighted when he's gone, but in spite of all the negatives I think we saw the benefits of his reign tonight. The first 45 minutes were flawless, Clark's error aside. We bossed a technically superior side and should have been more goals in front. Even in the second half, we started well and only through lack of experience did we cede the initiative. I don't think this team would have done the same with 3-4 more matches under their belts, and Trap needs to take responsibility for introducing these players too late. Still, we are more or less rock solid defensively and are finally starting to show the ability to play possession football, but it is probably 2 years too late because almost all of these players have been around that long.
So, Trap out, but kudos for making us a solid team.
On the subject of Sammon... I've watched this boy since he was playing schoolboy with Cherry Orchard and I've always thought he was muck. He was getting into Irish underage squads with literally dozens of more talented players left in his wake. Yet not one of those players has ever played at close to the standard he has. Tonight, I can see exactly why Trap selected him. We've endured 6 years of Kevin Doyle as a target man, flicking the ball on hopelessly to ABSOLUTELY NOBODY, and getting hailed as a hero for his efforts. Tonight we finally saw what happens when you have a tactically aware target man on the field - his flick-ons actually find a man, and that's entirely because Sammon plays with his head up and his brain switched on. He was clearly very nervous in possession, but his tactical play was superb and he sweat blood for the team.
You can criticise his raw ability all you want, but we wouldn't have done half the things we did well without him.
What puzzles me is that when the goal is scored McCarthy is further up the pitch than Walters, there is only
Sammon further up the pitch then him. It's like we are playing 4-3-3 or even 4-3-2-1 the famous Christmas tree formation.
Look here 2.33
Sammon is in the centre circle.
McCarthy is right next to the player who heads the ball.
Walters is doing a 'scarecrow'.
at 2.34
Whelan was marking the goal scorer but leaves him to cover the player Green is marking,
We just seem so disorganised at this point many are not clear who they should be marking.
It's all pretty dreadful, McCarhy seems to be well out of position and we do what we always seem
to do, run towards the nearest player with the ball en mass.
Of course this leaves several players unmarked and it is doddle for that player to pass to one of the unmarked players,
which he will due do, and then we all run towards that player leaving further players unmarked.
This is pointless it means we end up knackered because we are running twice as far and they are..
The solution is simple, just one player runs towards him, then he has a big problem, he has nobody to pass to duh!!!!
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I mean you can say what if the player marked by just one man gets beat?
Well tough, as long as nobody dives in then it's hard for them to be beat and left for dead, you just stand slightly off him
then it's very hard for him to get past you and he will probably lose the ball trying more often than not.
OK you can still get beat playing like this but you have a fighting chance as you are not having to run twice as far as the
opposition!!
There is some awful drivel in this thread at this stage...
The fact there are more negatives than positives currently...
Sweden also have to to go to Astana, Vienna, and here, and get results. We know what they're like, and I can't see them getting 9/9 somehow.
I have and I will. We'll know in October what it cost us. Germany let slip a 4 goal lead in this campaign in injury time. Hasn't hurt them too much though.They all count. And that one has cost us very dearly. No way in hell you can claim we were robbed.
We have the same points as the playoff spot, with half the campaign to go. We don't need miracles, we just have to finish a point ahead of them with half of our remaining home games against the minnows.Barring a miracle. Are you genuinely optimistic?...
So if we are as good as the above, why change?
Watched the match last night - no mention by the commentators during or after the match about Wilson's constant poor decisions - then again, he's been "wronged".
TOD's interview afterwards was guided by the idiots in RTE, it made a mockery of reporting.
Dunphy is a disgrace. Laughing Bill is beyond caricature.
I was devastated with the equaliser, though despite the balance from Giles and Brady, RTE were a disgrace. Dunphy "speaking" for the public - sorry, you're not. maybe for the pub bore and idiot whose larda@s hasn't seen a LOI ground but is guided by the idiots in the meeja. Sick to the teeth of this crap. Bad enough Ken Early infests the Irish Times, it's embarrassing to be Irish. And not because of our manager, or players.
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