Ken Bigley

[Macy]

not very interested in getting into this but in a totally discreditable situation the leader doing the dirty work in a warped way is kinda creditworthy.

I didn't want to get more moral outrage aimed at me, but I do kinda agree. You don't see Bush*, Blair, Howard etc down on the frontline....

*even when he was drafted!

[fosterdollar]

so you think its cool that the leader personally got his hands dirty on this one??
I believe it creditworthy in a normally run company if the MD or senior management roll up their sleeves and pack boxes or work on production lines, but this......please tell me you're kidding me.

i knew this was gonna happen. Read the post again will you. I said the situation was discreditable... warped way.... yadda, yadda, yadda. I understand all these words mean so little now in the hyperbole age of the tabloid but please try an approach the thing objectively without the "sick *******" rhetoric

[joeSoap]

I know...I know...

[Fair_play_boy]

I hope that this does not sound in any way patronising.
With the exception of the mainly crass posts made in the first page, this thread is seriously and sincerely written.
Hats off to these soccer fans who take time out to reflect on the world around them, and to go public like this with such excellent posts.

[Closed Account 2]

Agreed, and also does anyone else think that the Saddam issue was very personal for Bush because of his fathers inability to finish the job in '91?

Also didn't Saddam (or one of his agents) try and assassinate George Bush Mk1 after the first Gulf War.

Also did anyone see Mark Stein (who i think sometimes writes in the Irish Times) had his article on Bigley pulled by the editor of the Telegraph... even from someone so notorious it was written in pretty poor taste given the recentness and the nature of the whole incident.

[dortie]

If you go to a country to earn 'danger money' then you can expect to possibly get killed.

Not gloating in the mans death but would you go to Iraq tomorrow ??

[ccfcman]

Well now you see if I was to go and make big bucks probably, but to help out hell no

This thread is starting to get cynically dense!

[joeSoap]

If you go to a country to earn 'danger money' then you can expect to possibly get killed.

Possibly killed....maybe caught in a crossfire, blown up in a bombing, the way most civilians die in wars, yes. To be abducted, abused, tortured and clinically beheaded, then....no!!

[GavinZac]

Possibly killed....maybe caught in a crossfire, blown up in a bombing, the way most civilians die in wars, yes. To be abducted, abused, tortured and clinically beheaded, then....no!!

everyone knew what the situation was, and theres no war there at the moment. the country is just in chaos and hundreds of people have been abducted. its just this guy is british.

[dortie]

its just this guy is british.

Agree 100%

[joeSoap]

Maybe its just that it gets more publicity over here cos he was British. And we wouldn't be having this discussion if it wasn't so well publicised.Its a simple fact that, like it or not, we tend to listen more to British related news topics and take an interest in them because they're our only neighbouring country, speak the same language as us, and dare I say it, are very similar to us in most ways....oh shock horror to all of the Brit-Haters, look what I've just said....

[joeSoap]

Thank you....yet we are very quick as a nation to dispel any similarities or associations...when it suits us to, or when we've had a few pints too many and decide to be 'patriotic'....

[Jim Smith]

not very interested in getting into this but in a totally discreditable situation the leader doing the dirty work in a warped way is kinda creditworthy.

You've got to ask for who's benefit is he doing this for? O.K . he might be doing it to shock the West but he's probably also doing it for the benefit of other fundamentalists. There has to be a power struggle within that group and by acting (however horrifically) at the front line rather than directing operations hidden in a cave somewhere he is putting down his mark as the leader of the fundamentalist movement.

[Éanna]

So, do you envisage a situation where these people do as they please and go unpunished? The human rights abuses they perpetrate against their own for not following the will of allah or whoever it is they worship should go ignored?

No, if you look at the other posts I've made, I suggested that these people be punished, but also that there is an attempt to change the situation as a whole.